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Summer Soccer

  • 08-12-2024 10:38PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭


    is the FAI vote for nationwide summer soccer a white flag to the G.A.A. and and end to and pretence they have at being more than a minority sport in rural Ireland?

    With investment in all weather pitches they could have become the dominant winter sport. But now rugby has it all to itself and they are deluded if they believe they will get priority over Gaelic football and hurling



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    I prefer the term Calender year. Jan to Oct including preseason as opposed to Aug to May similar as school year.

    I'm all for the calender year soccer. I'd personally find it much more exciting to play nice bright summer evenings on pitches in better condition.

    As a soccer man don't mind if it clashes with GAA. Players should choose one or the other. It might be hard on rural clubs but they should het players that will put soccer first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    At what age should players chose one or the other, how can they chose if their parents have only had the time to bring them to one?

    Soccer has been creeping further and further into the GAA season anyway over the past few years. Those crossover months are difficult for coaches, kids and parents. It's gonna be difficult for both codes to keep everyone at the younger ages happy and at the end of the day happiness should be what sport is about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55 ✭✭captivo


    To be honest , this could spell the end for whole under age clubs in rural Ireland. My young fella plays and loves both GAA and soccer, but for the most part, it's the same people involved in coaching both the GAA and soccer. I know if they (coaches) have to make a choice, soccer will come out the loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    At 9 or 10?

    Its one thing prioritising at 14 but this way you will have young kids who wont even start.

    Not to mention coaching where codes are pulling on the same parents to coach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭jacool


    Involved in a club in Cork. Coaches less than impressed, as they know the decision that will be made, if ultimatums come about.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    GAA at underage isn’t a ‘summer sport’. It’s only the elite intercounty that has moved to have the big matches predominantly in the summer.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It very much is.

    Underage competitions form u13 up, and blitzes for the younger kids run between April and September and into October.

    The older underage usually start getting back in February and March and the small kids usually start in April when the time changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    I don't know I suppose the kids and parents would decide that. I don't see why they can't pick one, commit to it and they'll be happy out playing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    The ones that wouldn't start anyway will be the ones who end up picking GAA over soccer when they are older.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are you a parent?

    Do you think it's that easy to just "decide" ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    In Dublin, games started the weekend of 10 Feb this year and ran into October/ November.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, and summer is part of that Feb to October period.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The was an u15s hurling match last week between two laois clubs, IN DECEMBER.

    your fooling yourself if you think some gaa clubs don't keep going through winter at underage and discourage their players from playing other sports. I'm hearing this up and down the province of Leinster every weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    Two young daughters so don't have that dilemma. I know it's not an easy decision and is a shame for young kids that would like to do both.

    My thinking is more selfish. I personally don't like playing or attending games on cold winter Sundays at 11 am or 2 pm. That's the only two windows for games where I'm from (except for sat night with clubs that have lights and astro).

    I would love summer evening games after work on nicer pitches. Also training in the evening would be much nicer to do in brighter, warmer weather.

    I was at a good game yesterday. Legs were numb with the cold by full time. Hardly anyone at it for that reason. I would guess there would be plenty st it on a nice evening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The Rooster


    But there’s also a summer break.

    The point is soccer changing the calendar for underage isn’t going to move the dial in relation to clashing with GAA. The only time there won’t be a clash is if you play in Dec/Jan when the weather is terrible and many pitches are either muck or off, or during the 4 week summer break when numbers are down anyway due to hols.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The bulk of underage GAA gets played in the summer months, the ages below 13 that are non competitive rearly go beyond September.

    National competitions like Feile are played in June and/or July.

    I coach a girls u-14 GAA team, a lot of them also play soccer.

    It's much more difficult to organize training and the few outstanding games for the last few weeks of the season in September as soccer has also started

    In the spring soccer is usually winding down by the time the GAA games start.

    It would be a nightmare for both codes if they were going full tilt at the same time.

    I agree with the idea of a summer break, we usually do it either side of the August bank holiday.

    If one or other code decided to occupy that space in the future it would piss a lot of parents off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭csirl


    This is very welcome. I coach with a DDSL team and the winter season is killing the game in Dublin. Last season my team had games cancelled for 7 consecutive weeks in Jan to March due to "unavailable pitches". We've had no games for the past 3 weeks for the same reason with no guarantee pitches will be available this weekend.

    Councils are a lot more trigger happy with withdrawing pitches than in the past.

    Last season many parents refused to pay the later installments of their kids fees due to how few games were played.

    In the end of the day, kids take up football so they can play matches. If they dont get matches in the DDSL, they go to other sports like GAA, rugby etc where they do get matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Tomw86


    I think it will ultimately be massively beneficial to underage soccer in Ireland. On a global level soccer is huge and for young kids this will create more opportunities for them to progress in the game for the following reasons;

    1. Continuity of playing time - rather than playing for a 2/3 month period from Sept to Nov straight and then sporadically really from December to February with weather and pitches, etc. The it picks back up from March and all games need to be crammed in to 3 months really to get it finished by May. The new format should allow for better consistency both in terms of matches and training.
    2. Alignment with LOI - this will allow for kids who are joining clubs academies to be used to playing during the same conditions as those in the LOI. This should let kids at the age of 15/16/17 play for LOI clubs when they are ready as their schoolboy/underage academies will play the same calendar.
    3. Better playing conditions - As above, the pitches should be in better condition which will allow those clubs playing football on the ground to come to fore. It will allow for a more consistent approach within clubs without interruption from having to play 2 or 3 games in a week. Clubs will know it will be match Saturday and training twice a week for the whole, or at least most, of the season.
    4. GAA vs. Soccer - At some point kids have to choose one or the other, that's just how it is especially for those who are excellent/top tier in either or both sports. This normally happens around age 12 or 13 and the new system will mean kids may well have to choose earlier and there will always be those moaning about that. HOWEVER what I will say is that having to decide earlier will mean those at the top level of either sport can focus on that sport solely and should then develop even further in that particular sport. There will always be the option for some of those kids to keep fit throughout the winter/off-season by playing with friends and/or with astro winter leagues.
    5. Injuries - mastering the craft and learning ways to play and tackle in one particular sport is very specific to that sport. By doing this at an earlier age it should avoid players getting injured whilst playing the other. Ultimately this will help develop kids physically in favour of one particular sport and therefore avoiding injuries by saying going in for a tackle in soccer the wrong way because you are used to/playing at a higher level in GAA. Also, playing on better pitches is much safer for kids.

    That is my view on it and I feel ultimately it will be beneficial in developing more elite/top level soccer players in Ireland which has been neglected for a period of time. It is very rare that players get the correct coaching in Ireland at schoolboy level and this will be a gateway to open that.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,924 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    And it does piss parents off tod.

    We had one hurling coach here that tried to get a seven a side hurling league going over the winter just to keep lads playing hurling and not other sports!!

    They're literally trying to create unsanctioned competitions as an excuse to keep going through winter.

    Anyone close to county level are absolutely training through winter, Saturday mornings for two hours and one weekday evening. Of course, they are training with squads of about 60ish knowing the final squad next year will be closer to 30ish, but hey, it keeps lads dreaming of a county start while keeping them away from other sports as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    At a young age they will pick the one most of their friends go to. When older the pick the one they enjoy the most. The sad thing is kids at U10 at least enjoy playing soccer far more than GAA. If they never get to play it though…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    Its at U6 / 8/ 10 where the impact will be biggest and these run April to September. At U15 players already are on a part to one or the other. You will end up with lots of players who never get the opportunity to play soccer.

    Also, at adult level most players will be finished club by October and a large amount will play soccer in the winter. Junior clubs will also suffer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Tomw86


    You can't stop kids playing what they want to play. If they see alot more soccer on the TV that may be why they gravitate towards this. Kids should ultimately play the one they enjoy most and not what their friends are playing but you have to leave them to figure it out.

    The money involved in soccer may ultimately sway them if they are top level at both.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 972 ✭✭✭Tomw86


    Perhaps the issue here is the innovation within the GAA. Why could football/hurling not create official winter leagues similar to what soccer do during the summer - it would make sense and as you've said for those who want to stay with that sport and master it it gives them that outlet and keeps them away from other sports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    The prevailing view nowadays is that gaining exposure to multiple sports benefits athletic development far more than specialising in one.

    The biggest winner out of this might be basketball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    When a lot of the parents in a rural are embedded in the GAA club already the kids will be brought there by default. And the kids of parents not already in the GAA will see that that's where their friends are and go there too and fewer kids will get coaching in soccer at a young age.

    The money wont sway an 8 year old. Its playing with their friends that will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    You made some excellent points. Not sure I agree with the one about injuries but pitches and not having to cram the ending of the season into April and May because of poor weather conditions over the winter is a big one imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭joeyboy11


    If their family and community are all GAA then that's what they should focus on. That's clearly where they are going to end up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    Investment in all weather pitches should be the priority. The 2 strategic goals the FAI should have to most improve the state of the game in this country are 1. Everyone club to have access to an all weather pitch. 2. Every player to gain exposure to professional coaching by age 8 even if only a few sessions a year.

    Yes, it needs investment, but also strategic vision which is sadly lacking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    So you are happy for soccer to continue its parh to a minority sport then



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,851 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    You have kids - yes?

    EDIT: Sorry, I see you have two girls - why would/should that make any difference?

    What age should you ask your kids to decide?

    Someone mentioned above - that its often the same parents that are coaching both codes in rural Ireland - it can be the same in towns also. It will lead to significant issues however in fairness as I've said theres a massive overlap in the times of both sports anyway.



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