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Murders of two gay men in Sligo

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    One "man" was responsible for the murders but nobody has a bag of 350k cash just laying around. The whole family are dodgy and the sooner we get rid of them and lock their asshole son up for life the better.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    He is already locked up for life, he pled guilty to murder. Are you aware of any details of this case at all?

    I once had 250,000 Euro in cash in my house, I'm most certainly not dodgy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    One man was responsible for the murders but welfare fraud is also a thing. Even for the parents of a murderer. I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to get money on welfare on the basis that you have nothing, and then just not declare you have now come into a major sum of money.

    Secondly, and perhaps more worryingly: if it isn't clear where the money came from, then the possibility that they are not welfare frauds cannot be ruled out, if in fact it actually belonged to the son, because he was getting it from/for terrorists.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    That's exactly what will be discovered in the courts. They are looking for their money back, based on their belief they can prove it is legitimate.

    If there are issues about welfare fraud, they will be dealt with after.

    Just appears posters want to punish a whole family because of their sons crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Fine. I was just pointing out that claims made by several posters here that it was perfectly likely that the parents had obtained that money legally and that there had been no obligation on them to declare it to the Irish state despite apparently living long-term on Irish welfare payments are extremely dubious.

    I'd also add that if it turns out that there was no reason for them to inform the welfare people that they had all those "savings", however they came by them, then TBF that's a major failing in the welfare system.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    If you have any evidence of your wild ideas, you.should inform Gardai. There is a terrorism financing unit within the Special Detective Unit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    lol Have they got a "relax your cacks" unit that you can call?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Why would he have any evidence of that, it's just a discussion. Did you ask posters saying that the parents probably had the money from selling their home in Iraq for evidence or is it somehow more acceptable for them to speculate?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    What he is suggesting, is an offence. Selling ones house is not.

    So you think everyone can just come up with mad ideas why they have the money, and publish them? Ever hear of defamation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well sure just report him then. If the mods are happy with his post, why would you have a problem with it?

    But asking the poster for evidence is not a great thing to do if you genuinely think a post is defamatory. 😁

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    He's been found guilty of murder girl, by be-heading two innocent men, and would have done more, as is the Islamist reputation. Let him sue me all he wants with his 350,000 euro package, or you can do it for him seeing how you feel he's such a sweetheart.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I didn't ask him for evidence, I said if he had any he should inform Gardai. Why would I report his post?



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No idea where you get the impression I think he's a 'sweetheart '

    Hes a murderer, and is serving a life sentence for same, as he should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Seems to me that's needling him, leading him either to repeat his "defamation" or even make the problem worse by developing on it.

    Anyway, if it's defamatory, then whether or not he reports it to AGS is of secondary importance to us on here. The important thing should be to remove it from the site to stop the site being sued.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,978 ✭✭✭buried


    You should inform the Gardai that I'm having the temerity to talk about it, seeing as how you see it as such a wild outrageous idea that may affect the reputation of some animal that be-headed two innocent Irish men.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,353 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    @buried, you're dangerously close to trolling here. Either debate posts civilly or ignore them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    250k in cash reserve and also claiming social welfare payments? I doubt it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,821 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I expect you weren't claiming means-tested social welfare benefits at the time though

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,669 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It is suspicous. Hence the court proceedings. Which is kind of my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,665 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    This case is basically the perfect snapshot of everything wrong in the country. Our immigration and welfare systems are broken. What's worse is those murders would never have happened if we had a proper immigration system, the family would have been fcuked out the door years before for not contributing anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It strikes me that depending on how many family members there are, that the money (or some of it) could have been saved from several social welfare payments coming into the same house over 15 to 20 years.. If these said payments were means tested that would explain holding it in cash as opposed to in a bank account. Many nationalities including older Irish people would only feel safe with their savings in cash.

    Before anyone jumps on me, I don't think they should get it back under any set of circumstances, I think they should be stripped of citizenship and deported along with their butcher of a son who we unfortunately can't execute.

    But the scenario above would explain where they got it - an extended family of 4 or 5 (I've no idea how many there were/are) would have no bother in saving 20 to 25k a year if given housing/medical/no work commute or costs, no insurance, no car, no home repairs, no alcohol or fags, down to the SVDP/ all the other bleeding heart charities for clothes, tvs, baby equipment, children's toys. There's plenty at it both homegrown and immigrant.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Why do you think they should be stripped of citizenship and deported if they saved the money legitimately?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So are you saying that it's possible to save thousands of euros from welfare payments every year?

    Why are people bothering their heads working then? Lots of couples work two jobs and their savings are nowhere near that level. This sounds like fantasy to me.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It wouldn't be easy but it is possible. Generally speaking Irish people wouldn't be disciplined enough to do it, we like our little comforts, but displaced people to whom the culture about them is all one of excess and waste could do it and would be more likely to.

    350 ÷ say 5pax = 70. 70 ÷15 = 4,660ish. That's 90 a week. Possibly nixers involved as well or charging rent to an illegal. Who knows. All I'm saying is its quite possible.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Dbl post.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Nixers are illegal. As for charging rent to an illegal immigrant, that goes WAY beyond that again.

    The claim was that it could be done legitimately. Now you're proving that it can't.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,821 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    However they obtained or accumulated that money, it had to be declared as they were claiming means tested benefits. It's really not hard to understand… and this applies every time you sign on / obtain payment, not just when the claim initially goes in. Every act of obtaining payment when you have undeclared means is an instance of fraud.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Juran


    Update on the father's legal challenge in the past hour in this article

    https://www.thejournal.ie/yousef-palani-father-high-court-social-welfare-6566984-Dec2024/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,133 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Who the hell is paying for this!?

    A high court challenge is a very expensive legal action to take. You not only need the services of a solicitor, but a barrister too (it's thousands for this advice alone). Are we really to believe that this Palani fella has been living a subsistence lifestyle of rice and lentils so he could squirrel away thousands for this? Or is it a case that the tax payer will have to fund this high court appeal, which should he lose, he won't even be able to pay! Or maybe it's even worse, some NGO is behind the scenes is funding this through the back door with taxpayers cash.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I don't think I said legitimately.

    Claiming a means tested payment whilst in possession of 350k is also illegal. People do illegal things to make money all the time.

    I was more saying that the house story isn't the only possible explanation.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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