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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    They may have gone higher without them. Are you seriously saying that taking renewables out of the mix will result in lower prices?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    it would be nice if it was 42.25 euro less every year per Customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    You sound like you think it goes without saying that electricity would be more expensive without renewables. What makes you think that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    France has electricity prices that are half of ours with CO2 emissions 6x less than ours

    By using nuclear power, a technology the Green Luddites here hate as it exposes their little wind lobby industry for what it is, a scam to milk the Irish population and industry for billions to line the pockets of investors far away

    All while remaining reliant on foreign gas, because they don’t want cheap LNG gas coming in nor want domestic gas production either of which as was shown with figures and references there’s several decades of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Be careful, when wind energy Ireland and other lobbyists are talking about cheapest electricity they are referring to a metric called Levelised Cost of Electricity (LCoE), they are not talking about the prices charged the end consumer. LCoE is a metric developed by power utility companies decades ago to model costs and has been adapted by the wind and solar industry. It is used to calculate return on investment over the lifecycle of the plant.

    The Levelised Cost of Electricity (LCOE) is the discounted lifetime cost of building and operating a generation asset, expressed as a cost per unit of electricity generated (£/MWh). It covers all relevant costs faced by the generator, including pre-development, capital, operating, fuel and financing costs. This is sometimes called a life-cycle cost, which emphasises the “cradle to grave” aspect of the definition. source


    LCoE takes no account of system costs needed to operate non-synchronous unreliable generation on the grid. We use alternating current (AC) at 50 Hz, that comes with infrastructure overhead, and the need to provide balancing services such as reactive power services, short term battery storage to manage surges in demand, standby generation costs and curtailment costs. The fuel used by the competition (gas, oil and coal) is loaded with carbon taxes. LCoE takes no account of subsidies or how electricity is priced.

    Et voila! Ignore all the wider system costs associated with renewable energy, assume lower interest rates than are prevailing today, assume constantly improving load factors and low decommissioning costs, ignore land costs and other uncertainties, ignore the higher strike prices achieved in the latest Contracts for Difference auction, add a load of hypothetical carbon costs on to fossil fuels, and the job is done. Proving that renewables are cheaper than gas isn’t difficult when you know how to go about it. The only problem is, the claims made by the LCOE calculation aren’t true in the real world, and we’re all paying the price. source


    With all those assumptions in mind, see Levelised cost of offshore wind energy in Ireland at different deployment scales and lifetime (2018) and ask yourself are they realistic? Takes away the cheap interest rates and subsidies as the Danes have recently found No one wants to bid for offshore wind farms in the North Sea.

    The Danish Energy Agency has not received a single bid for any of the three offshore wind farms in the North Sea, the agency writes in a press release.
    On Thursday at 2:00 p.m. there was a deadline for energy companies to submit a bid on whether and how they would build the largest tender for offshore wind turbines in Danish history.
    But no one has come forward. It is...


    Equinor scraps Spain, Portugal offshore wind plans as costs rise (August 2024)

    State-controlled Equinor needs to prioritise capital more than in the past given rising costs in the offshore wind sector, due to inflation, high interest rates and supply-chain delays."It's getting more and more expensive, and we think things are going to take more time in quite a few markets around the world," Eitrheim said, adding Equinor may pull out from more markets. source

    All this means Irish state agencies are going to have to be even more flaithiúlach with their offers for offshore wind generation, none of this is good for corporate or domestic electricity consumers.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    When deciding to respond to SaabSaab please consider that this poster is actively advocating elsewhere on the forum for the unilateral introduction of punitive taxes on air travel from Ireland as he or she feels deep in their innards that the Airlines aren't taxed enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Well they aren't. Why shouldn't they pay like motorists or transport operators?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,158 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    It adds competition and increases energy supply sources. Why wouldn't it lower prices at least in the longer term?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    You are still to explain why hasn’t 7000mw of wind and 1500mw of solar has not lowered prices neither here nor likes of Germany, quite the opposite as per real world figures



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    So I was talking to someone who would be very well qualified to be Chair of the Greener than Green Party and he said not a chance. The amount of concrete needed, the mining of the uranium, dealing with the waste material make nuclear a total no no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ah yes because wind generators and solar don’t require steel, aluminium, concrete, copper, rare earths and so on

    They just grow naturally in the wilds of China where peasants pick them out of ground by hand and grow them with manure 😜

    Like I said the Green Luddites have their heads buried up their rears and are preventing climate change from being solved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭gossamerfabric


    I comprehensively addressed that topic on the thread and showed that the taxes paid were actually higher than if they were subject to the same carbon taxes as other forms of transport. You have now found another topic where you can chicken little virtue signal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Yes, you’re right. He said all elements should be left where they are. No mining. 🤓



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Competing with what ?

    We are paying the same for renewables as we are paying for the most expensive fossil fuel in the mix.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Where's the competition? It's not a level playing field. Renewables are not allowed bid on the capacity market because they can't provide firm capacity. But they get priority dispatch, so they put the squeeze on other generators who have to run at lower utilisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    They shouldn't be getting priority dispatch because that was eradicated by the 3rd Clean Energy Package. Since the 4th July 2019, priority dispatch should not exist.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    From what I can see that only applied to new generation coming online after that date. Presumably there's still a bunch of pre-existing stuff that gets priority. I'll admit I'm not clear on what was finally implemented. However, good to know that the issue was being addressed. That said, I presume it only adds to the difficulties Big Wind faces (on top of cost of finance) once they are forced to be competitive, as evidenced by various project cancellations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    SEMO issued a notification of tight margins in the SEM for today and tomorrow. Not a peep out of the wind or solar. Tomorrow looks particularly bad across Europe so our interconnectors probably won't be doing much either.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    At the Biz Post ESG briefing someone is starting to wake up and smell the coffee about our abjectly failing virtue signalling approach to emissions. Though they still treat as "good news" last year's "reductions" due to unprecedented levels of interconnector imports — a mere accounting fiction. As mentioned, our first carbon budget ends next year. The word is that the follow-on budgets will commit us to 67% emissions reductions by 2040. Because when you've failed to do the impossible, obviously you aim for the even more impossible.

    New energy data for 2024 shows targets slipping away

    Good afternoon,

    You wouldn’t have guessed it from the lack of climate action debated in the general election, but Ireland’s first statutory carbon budget will end next year.

    That means whatever government is formed in the coming weeks, it will almost immediately be faced with the question of what additional actions it is going to take in 2025 to make up the yawning gap between where our emissions are, and where they need to be.

    As revealed by a new report from the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland today, early 2024 data actually suggests that heating related emissions will rise this year, transport emissions will stagnate again, and electricity emissions will fall by a much smaller percentage than last year’s whopping 22 per cent.

    All of this doesn’t bode well for that first carbon budget, which is split into sectoral emissions ceilings across the different sectors of the economy.

    But it's not all bad news, this year’s report also confirmed that Ireland’s energy related emissions in 2023 fell to their lowest point since 1990. This was driven primarily by that 22 per cent reduction in electricity emissions, due to record imports of power across the interconnector with Britain, and further increases in renewables. There was also a further marginal fall in heat related emissions, which solidified three years of reductions.

    But as Jim Scheer, head of data and insights with the SEAI said: “Progress does not equate to success”, and now is the time to really focus minds.

    The steepness of the challenge in the final year of the first carbon budget will require the incoming government to either announce a radical plan of action for additional measures in 2025, or an early concession that the first carbon budget is now out of reach.

    Thanks for reading,
    Daniel Murray
    Policy Editor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,428 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    The CBAM tax will erase any creative accounting with the interconnectors when it comes into force and then what? Higher electricity prices and our "emissions" back to higher levels.

    But I suppose they can add a fine to the tax and that'll teach us...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,207 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    We are going into the highest demand week or two of the year, let’s see what renewables doing:

    • solar - lol 😂 (reminder take your vitamin D)
    • wind 250mw out of 7000mw
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    Lets see what our CO2 is doing

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    Ok let’s compare to nuclear Finland whose population is similar to our all island grid

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    Hmm there’s some sort of pattern there, hard to put a finger on it /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,424 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes ireland should be introducing nuclear, but we wont due to our extremely strong anti-nuclear stance, only a handful of us believe nuclear should be a part of our grid, and this may never change…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,966 ✭✭✭Nermal


    People give socially correct answers in polls, even anonymous ones (being Green is wonderful).

    What they say with their wallet or in the privacy of the voting booth reveals what they really think (being Green is great so long as it doesn't cost me anything).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    All parties have environmental policies not just the Green Party

    Just because someone doesn't vote for the Green party doesn't mean they have no interest in the environment



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    From the exit poll only 4% across all parties and independents gave their FPV based on climate change or the environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Well the point being if the green party got eviscerated at the election.

    The rational reason is Green polices ain't high on most peoples train of thought would you say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    But all parties have green policies

    The Green Party, as we seen here, got blamed for anything and everythign in the last term. A lot of stuff which they had nothing to do with.

    Every small party in government has had the same happen to them

    When people are polled, as displayed here on multiple polls, environment is critical to the electorate. With the information I provided it is the 5th most important topic.

    Hence why parties all over Ireland who went to the election had policies around the environment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Somehow today is even worse

    If a green minded individual bought an expensive electric bike that promised 7000 meter electric range but only managed 77 meters before running out of power I bet they be angry

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