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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You really need to ask that? Russia not Iran is why the rebel's didn't initially win. They bombed the cities to smithereens and forced them back to the Turkish border.

    Now Russia is balls deep in Ukraine. Their stockpiles are diminished and are basically using all artillery and air bombs on Ukraine as soon as they get them. They've now lost their only Mediterranean port. A key base between Russia and Africa. Russia's global influence grows weaker and a former ally Assad is gone replaced by a country with a lot of bad will for Russia.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    So, what happens now, and where is Assad?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I hope all outside players stay out now, and let the people of Syria establish their own state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,203 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    It's amazing that a regime which held power for over 50 years fell so quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    Assad is gone. Great news



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,321 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is no Syrian state anymore, the country has ceased to exist. It's up to other countries now to claim parts of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,247 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    In their coverage, Reuters is reporting speculation that a Syrian Air flight carrying Al Assad may have crashed. Here is the flight on FR24, though it’s not clear who was on board.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,996 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭CPTM


    This is what I was thinking. It appears Assad was entirely reliant on Russian/Hizbullah. Really surprised he never built an army himself especially since 2015. He must have known this day was coming since months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I fear it’s going to be another Afghanistan though. For the women in particular that would be far worse than life under Assad.

    There seems to be very little concern about what might be in store for women from HTS, here and in the media coverage generally.

    Which is upsetting to me but not really surprising.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Reports are he left in a private plane. Don't think it's been confirmed where



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,466 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You'd think Michael D and the keffiyeh TD's would be trying to save Assad and Hezbollah from genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    In the case of Russia they simply don't have the willingness to spare more lives to prop up Assad. They already diverted a number of resources from Syria to deal with the ongoing war with Ukraine and also kept the Wagner group focused on Africa. If they can strike a deal to keep the Tartus naval base that is all that matters.

    In the case of Iran they simply don't want to commit resources knowing that instability at home could flare up at any minute, that they could easily lose a large number of troops to Israeli bombing, and their proxy organisation Hezbollah had it's leadership decapitated by Israel.

    No one but a select few know where Assad is. He is probably in the UAE if we just look at tracking data for some of the private jets.

    The most likely scenario now is a continuation of the Civil War akin Libya after Gaddafi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,998 ✭✭✭yagan


    Hasmt the last decade effectively been a civil war?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭Perseverance The Second




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It'll be just like the Taliban and Afghanistan.

    HTS will pinky promise that they will respect the rights of all peoples, and they might even stick with it for a few months. When attention moves away to the next thing and the cameras go home, the crackdowns will start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I just hit the jackpot lads, weighed in weighed in. Hopefully he does not go back to his past and looks after the Syrians well.

    alj.jpg

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Apologies if this has been asked before ( I only just found the thread ), with the turmoil in Damascus unfolding, is there any chance that Syria might hand over Eli Cohen’s body?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭AyeGer


    So Syria will likely go the way of Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. America, Israel and their other western poodles have really done a number on those countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    It’s a trailer for what will happen in Russia



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    I’m thinking very unlikely. Despite the various factions being anti-Assad, I doubt any of them have that much love for Isreal. Also, I’d be surprised if they know where he’s buried anymore.

    Just for context if anyone didn’t know about him:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Cohen?wprov=sfti1#Discovery

    Eli Cohen was a Mossad spy who was found out by Syria and publicly executed by them in the 1960’s. Isreal & Cohen’s family have been trying to get his remains home over the many years since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,660 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I think you can throw a bit of Vietnam into that bunch as well.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Wow, that was fast.

    A lot of revenge/retribution is going to take place, decades of that dictatorship + terrible atrocities during the uprising and subsequent war.

    HTS and that rebel alliance aren't good either, at the moment they appear to be lighter than the Taliban (and ISIS) but as we all know that needle could move.

    The Syrians are lovely people, quite secular too, they've had a horrendous time of it this last decade and a half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ah another one of those who missed on the fact that it was Russians helping kill 350,000 people in Syria with chemical weapons for a whole decade

    The **** Left is a disgrace

    out resident numpties have run down our defence forces to a point we don’t have planes to help their buddies in Middle East 🤓

    how is that rouble portfolio/ pension of yours doing these days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I guess You are probably right.
    For anyone who doesn’t know who Eli Cohen is, I highly recommend watching ‘The Spy’.

    EDIT: I mean who Eli Cohen was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,390 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Has something happened in the Middle East? It's the fault of this personality called the "evil West" who are the real baddies.

    I remember when the uprising was happening in 2011, these types were creating a Schrodinger's situation where we were entirely to blame for Assad, for the uprising against him, for the rebels, and for whatever was occurring after. As if no one in the world has any agency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,762 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The Taliban are happy the rebels won according to their Social Media( not all things western and modern are bad afterall, it seems)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,695 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Russia is 'Western Poodle'. You read it here first.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Bear with me for a minute

    • Jews run the DeepState since Roman times
    • The CIA recruited a young mid level apparatchik in 80s Berlin
    • He fell upwards in Russian circus and became president
    • Starting several wars destabilising Europe and Middle East
    • Eradicating Russian population (750,000 dead) for a fraction of the DeepState budget
    • Helped murder 350,000 Syrians so they too distracted from focusing on The Jews
    • QED Its all a Jewish DeepState conspiracy

    Not sure where the Jewish space lasers fit in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Thats what I fully expect myself. I'm just annoyed about the lack of interest in this aspect in the western media coverage of it all.

    Nobody seems to care about women at all, except when it also suits men's interests to (pretend to) care.

    So all the talk about what might happen, better than Assad/worse etc - it all pretty much ignores that any Islamist regime is definitely going to be worse for women. Worse than Assad for sure.

    But that's very much a secondary issue for the media and indeed for boards.ie.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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