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US Healthcare CEO Murdered - Please read mod note at OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    If more CEO's of billion dollar compaines start to get gunned down I wonder how long it will take for these companies to start to lobby for better gun control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    They'd sooner lobby for more latitude in the 'security' personnel they hire, and what they're allowed to get away with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Reviews have been left for the hostel the shooter stayed at. One was 1 star for staff being narcs. Another review was 5 stars for 'killer service, and close to health care conferences!'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    There's a "dress like the shooter" competition in Washington Square in NY.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,932 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Best story I heard was the soviets allowing the film adaptation of Grapes of Wrath to be screened in Russia, but it backfired when Russian citizens were impressed that even a dirt poor american could own a (admittedly dilapidated) car.

    Lot of lobbying propaganda going around about how universal healthcare would either degrade the quality of care for those who have good insurance and/or result in skyrocketing taxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,588 ✭✭✭✭briany


    (A raft of American billionaires get gunned down by random assailants)

    Next day on CBS/NBC/Fox:

    "Today, Congress has voted to repeal the second amendment…"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The FBI have announced a reward of 50k now. So a bit more than a day's pay for the deceased.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Could see the personal security industry getting a shot in the arm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,588 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If the U.S. justice system worked correctly, people like Brian Thompson would already be receiving punishment, but people with his kind of money rarely face their comeuppance. He didn't have any regard for all the people his company killed by rescinding their health insurance for any reason it could find, so why should anyone have any sympathy for him?

    There appears to be an elite class of hyper wealthy individuals in the US who can actively make the world a worse place and be untouchable in doing so, but they're not.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,527 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Martin Shkreli - and he (eventually) went to jail for Securities Fraud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Family man"

    Go away to fuk with this American nonsense. As if having a family makes you less of a cnt.

    Wrong to shoot him but his family status has nothing to do with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    Plenty Irish scumbag family men.

    Its a nonsense not particular to the U.S.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We don't have the same hang ups about the marital status of people the way the US do.

    The country is obsessed with the white picket fence nuclear family when it comes to people in positions of power. Even gay politicians have to portray their family person suburban credentials.

    Look at the comments towards female politicians with no kids or the difference between the infidelity of Clinton compared to Hollande.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey


    You need to get out more if you think Ireland isn't obsessed with status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    There's more to Ireland than South County Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭L Grey




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,622 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We just had an election and nobody talked about anyone's family status.

    I actually don't know the family status of any candidate in Limerick and when it comes to our 2 Taoiseach I only know that 1 has a child because he plays football for Cork.

    We do not give a sht about family status in Ireland as a measure of a person.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    And this along with how many people have lost loved ones due to UHCs despicable actions is why there's at minimum such shrugging of shoulders and in also many cases even glee at what has happened. Nothing ever happens to men like him when found guilty of corporate greed and what many feel is actual murder by a corporation through denying policy claims, all that happens is the company pays a fine that is neglible when compared to their profits. Many simply view what happen as a glimmer of justice, it may be flawed justice but to them it's justice nonetheless.

    For anyone saying well it's murder so it can't be justice you are viewing this from an incredibly myopic and likely privileged standing.

    Put simply this is tit for tat, or rather tit for a few million tats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,251 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres no way he isn't recognised but people obviously see nothing wrong with what he did so no one is turning him in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,313 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    That's what happens when the social contract is so catastrophically broken.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,077 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly but the US' political culture is so focused on billionaire sycophancy that they've no idea why most people either don't care or are happy that one of their alleged betters was killed. This guy was ruining and ending American lives on a regular basis, aided and abetted by corporate media who scaremonger about Stalinlism any time someone suggests reforming the healthcare system.

    It's weird how so many people over there love to talk about their first amendment right to free speech but then never use it. Certain topics like guns and healthcare are just taboo. Virtually nobody touches them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 331 ✭✭thamus doku


    we all know how big business works.
    this murder is not going to make health care in America more affordable or more caring, it’s going to make it more expensive.

    CEOs and other VIPs who work in the industry will want even more money and perks and likely after this 24hr security.
    all these extra costs will be passed to the consumer.

    How health care works in America and in Ireland is not the fault of the insurance companies or the governments, it all rests on the consultants who want to be paid huge sums of money.

    we all want to blame the Irish Politicians for our poor health system but they 100% want it fixed as it would be a great vote winner , but how can they when it’s the salaries of the senior medical staff that make it unworkable. The reason private health care providers are in Ireland is because the top doctors and consultants want them here.
    Nothing can change that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,295 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It is their fault. They have ceaselessly been lobbying the government for decades to make it exactly this way. They have the largest lobby group in Congress.

    I've no idea why you're so desperate to defend what is essentially the societal equivalent of a tapeworm.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,342 ✭✭✭yagan


    In fairness the system in the US is propped up by societies inability to see that a basic national health service provides collective bargaining for drugs and treatment. Instead they've got the free market deciding the cost to the user and they believe that this is the best system in the world. It's not a conspiracy against the public if all providers and customers think the same way.

    From my brief time working in the US they are hard soldered in believing that there isn't a better system, except for those who grew up there but have lived and worked elsewhere for long enough for the myths about US superiority to be challenged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,273 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I agree with much of what you say, but I would just point out that consultants are well paid in France, Germany and indeed the UK. Your analysis is correct but the problem is deeper in the system: it's about the private companies providing healthcare for shareholder profits. That includes but is definitely not limited to, some consultants.

    It's a problem everywhere, but is totally out of control in the US because there is no large public healthcare system to counterbalance the excesses of the for-profit part, so that insulin, for example, costs multiples of what it costs in the rest of the world.

    It's particularly glaring with insulin which is an old drug and one whose inventor did not try to make a fortune from it anyway, believing that it needed to be available for all, but the issue is the same with all medical developments.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,011 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think talking about social contracts and celebrating someone being murdered is an odd contradiction



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