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Trevor Deely case (Mod note in OP)

  • 06-12-2024 08:43PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭


    Just seen there has been a new appeal for information on the identity of the man seen in CCTV with Trevor Deely on the night he disappeared.

    However, I thought they had already identified that individual last year and eliminated him from the enquiry? Did they get it wrong?


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/12/06/trevor-deely-disappearance-garda-investigation-identifies-man-caught-on-cctv/

    Mod - As there has been a new appeal this can stay open however speculation is NOT going to be permitted as per previous threads on this topic. It is unhelpful and hurtful to Trevor's friends and family who still check online commentary.

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    I think it's the first guy they're referring to.

    Yeah I also heard that the second guy (on CCTV at Haddington Road) had been ruled out. Never understood why he was considered noteworthy - a person walking on a street, big deal. The first guy seems sketchy though.

    This is just marking the 24th anniversary I assume. Incredible it's been that long.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,804 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    given the lack of new leads or anything of that nature as well as the fact that it’s almost a quarter of a century since Trevor’s disappearance, I’d suggest the only way this gets solved is if a third party is aware of what happened and either lets something slip or develops a conscience and goes to the Gardai.

    What I find odd and I’m not saying it had anything or any influence on what happened to Trevor…

    But he goes to work to procure an umbrella, ok… that’s explicable, but why the after a night out, on the gargle at a party, would you finish the night sitting there reading your work email and making notes… A buzzkill no ? 😵‍💫That’s inexplicable, and odd as fûck…for 99.99% of us the computer wouldn’t be used…Grab umbrella, some shelter yeah, but…. Was he there deliberately evading something, someone ? Hense the computer usage ? A distraction perhaps ?

    Also a company night out, a pre arranged taxi strike. Would the employer given it was a work event, not try hire some alternate transportation ?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Mod - Moved to CA.

    Local charter now applies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    There is a very good Irish Times three part piece on the case from a good few years ago.

    Before posting here and asking "why or what did or was this that or the other" people should read it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    In 2000 very few people had home Internet and there were no smart phones, so work was the only place to read email, both business and personal.

    There was a friend working the night shift so he lingered talking to him and checked his email while there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The first guy seems sketchy though.

    But equally forgettable.

    Because neither Trevor nor the other colleagues had much to say about him.

    Trevor never mentioned him to the friend who was working and we have to assume the other workers who also stopped by the office and interacted with him could not give anything more than basic details about him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,707 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Isn't there already a megathread about this case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    There was, there have been a few actually.

    The really big one got deleted on a request from the family because it was wild with all sorts of stupid speculation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,334 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    "we have to assume the other workers who also stopped by the office and interacted with him "

    What other workers interacted with him in the office that night?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,831 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I always thought the checking of emails was normal enough.

    He had been in the US and there was some girl over there that he was interested in. So probably more so he was checking his personal mails rather than catching up on work stuff.

    Emailing would've been for more common than SMS texting between countries back then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭Mehaffey1


    Yes that's what I always pictured that he was hoping for more word from her after he had visited in Alaska.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    A group of other workers called to the office to collect an overnight bag for someone who was staying in the city with a colleague.

    I'm almost sure there is video of the man in black talking to them or at least being present when they are going in the gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,334 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    But did he interact with any co-workers, other than Karl Pender in the office after the party, as Fr Tod is inferring?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Didn't read all the other threads so apologies if this was answered before, but was Trevor's passport found in his home after he dissapeared. He hobviously used a passport when he visited alaska.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Id think the guy who came forward with information about the chapelizod site a few years ago was credible. The area which Trev had to walk through was well dodgy back then and still is now. Ive heard a name crop up a few times and Gardai believe he is the most likely suspect. The guy murdered that Romanian girl too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,352 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    That's all fanciful speculation. Firstly, the "Chapelizod" informant was entirely unreliable, obviously, as nothing was found. Secondly, the areas Trevor was known to have walked through that night were not particularly "dodgy", either back then or today. Of course, it's possible that Trevor may have encountered and fallen foul of somebody later in the night but I've never heard any speculation that the Gardai think he was murdered rather than being drowned accidentally, let's say. Another factor to take into consideration was the weather that night. It was extremely wet and windy so unlikely many hookers or drug pushers out and about at 4 a.m.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,433 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Mod - We have previously said we would allow threads discussing Trevor Deely if new information came to light or if there was an appeal for information.

    As there has been a new appeal this can stay open however speculation is NOT going to be permitted as per previous threads on this topic. It is unhelpful and hurtful to Trevor's friends and family who still check online commentary

    Previous mod warnings

    Post edited by Ten of Swords on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,868 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Sorry I think to there is a bit of confusion here, so I'll try and explain myself.

    Someone on this thread said that the man talking to Trevor outside the office gate was "sketchy"

    I agree that he looks "sketchy" but I also think he was totally inconsequential.

    As far as we know Trevor never mentioned him to his colleague.

    And there were another group who called to the office who interacted (or were at least present when he way there) with him who, as far as we know, could not recall anything of value about him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    It's just weird that he was standing under the pillar in the pissing rain for nearly half an hour though, then moved out to speak on his phone briefly, then Trevor arrived almost immediately and the guy followed Trevor into the side gate and conversed with him. Then he was captured just standing outside looking up at the building after Trevor went in.

    Yeah it could be nothing - just a drunken dude being drunk, but I don't agree that it's equally forgettable as the guy merely walking behind Trevor later.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,218 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    but I don't agree that it's equally forgettable as the guy merely walking behind Trevor later.

    But the guy didn't merely walk behind Trevor later.

    That person was identified a few years ago.

    And at the time the video of the guy at the gate and the guy behind Trevor was released the gardai were not claiming that they were the same person, just that they might be the same person.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're missing one big thing. Motive. Gardai from what we know have never identified a motive for anyone to want to target Trevor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,175 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    The area he had to walk through was not dodgy. I lived there at the time and it really was perfectly safe.

    There were a few working girls, on some nights, along wilton terrace up the baggot st end but the only hassle you would get there is been asked for some business or a cigarette. You rarely saw those girls when the weather was bad.

    I walked/waddled along wilton terrace in the middle of the night hundreds of times over that period and not once did I feel unsafe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,415 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’d agree- especially back in the 90s-but while it wasn’t dodgy - it was also very quiet at night time, even at Christmas time outside of the main bars of which there were very few relatively speaking.
    Whether you met with an accident of some kind or some sinister end, it’s wasn’t an area where there would be many people passing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    I didn't suggest they're the same person. I've never thought they were. Different build. But actually I can see how my phrasing made it seem like I was talking about them as though they're one and the same.

    I originally said I had heard the second guy was eliminated as a party of interest and it didn't surprise me because he didn't seem to be doing anything shady - he was merely walking behind Trevor like any pedestrian. I said the guy by Trevor's office earlier seemed sketchy though - you said he was as forgettable as the later guy on Haddington Road, but I disagree for the reasons I gave above.

    I do acknowledge that Trevor didn't mention him to his workmate though, nor did the colleagues waiting outside. But I still think his behaviour was a bit odd.

    Post edited by Frost Spice on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    opportunism, sociopathy, mental illness, intoxication, rumor, mistaken identity.

    A motivation can be something trivial/superficial.

    City center crimes after closing hours would tend to involve unpredictability/opportunism and some sort of partly intoxicated sociopathic toerag(s). (the type (or types) that might hang around corners at 4am receiving suspiciously timed calls for example)

    I imagine the typical criminal/aggressor who would be involved in opportunistic crimes at that hour might just arbitrarily decide things about people based on the observable, or loose talk by … an acquaintance.

    Probably not the most sophisticated type. Not the thinking type. No motivation beyond quick opportunistic gain.

    I cant speculate as to anything beyond that. Although I have my thoughts.

    This post is just about criminal motivation of criminals in general. And what … drives … them.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    Is there an article that covers the investigation in more detail? That Irish Times article was fine but didn't say much about the CCTV footage for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    iirc there were 1 or 2 good videos on youtube which went into details. with extended cctv footage.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,343 ✭✭✭Field east


    Given the VERY inclement weather that persisted that evening and throughout the night and the fact that there was a taxi strike , 99.9 % of those planning to do anything ‘untoward’ would have cancelled it and stayed at home.
    Trevor was clearly seen , after having visited his office, striding along a street towards Baggot street on his way home to his flat in the Ballsbridge area and, apparently , with not a ‘care in the world’. From memory , I cannot recall if he was taking the ‘ tourist route’ or the shortest route home. If he did take the tourist / longer route home , maybe it was because it was better lit. The fact that he left the party early he probably felt more like walking home than if he had left later being full of beer And food and being more tired. For some reason I find that you could walk miles in Dublin without realising it.



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