Trevor Deely case (Mod note in OP)

highpitcheric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122979253#Comment_122979253

yep very cold, wet, windy conditions that night.

the local working girls probably wouldnt have been up to much that evening.

which was probably quite bad for the earnings of any pimp they might have had too.

not the kind of weather anyone might want to stand around in for long. youd want a car ideally. to cruise around in.

Frost Spice

Would the amount of Christmas revellers not have caused an exception to be made?

And it's definitely not a dodgy area - fairly posh isn't it? Dodgy people there at night though at that time.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122979253#Comment_122979253

Trevor was clearly seen , after having visited his office, striding along a street towards Baggot street on his way home to his flat in the Ballsbridge area and, apparently , with not a ‘care in the world’.

He turned left out of his workplace.

The next sighting was him heading down Haddington Rd from the corner of Baggot St.

By all accounts it was not the most straightforward route to where he lived.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122985447#Comment_122985447

Definitely not the most straightforward route and especially in the weather that night. Quickest would have been down Baggot St to Jurys, right to Ballsbridge, past Paddy Cullens & left to Serpentine. I read that he may have been heading to the 24 hour spar on Sth Lotts at the bottom of Haddington Rd. My aunt worked in that area years ago and she thinks the car hire place beside Milanos was open 24 hours but unfortunately very little CCTV in those days.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122932618#Comment_122932618

I remember doing some pretty odd stuff after a couple of pints/night out if I wasn't too far gone....odd as in similar, might log into college email, play a it of tetris etc....a third party looking from thd outside might think it was odd but when I think back it was kind of distraction, burn a bit of nervous energy by doing something familiar/mundane

Rooks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122989600#Comment_122989600

He was seeing some girl from Alaska, wasn't he? Email was probably their means of contact, so it's possible he wanted to check if she had responded to an email he sent?

badabing106

Is there any leading theory as to what is most likely to have happened or has the investigation team kept completely stum?

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122989652#Comment_122989652

The leading theory was always that he fell into water and was washed out to sea.

As years went by and no body washed up anywhere, the option of some sort of foul play was explored

highpitcheric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122989652#Comment_122989652

naturally the gardai were interested in any characters known to regularly frequent the area at night, and the man lurking outside the gate taking a call at 3/4am. quite odd. and any cars spotted 'cruisin' in the area.

its an area which is known for certain nightime trade. although the weather that night could well have detered customers. bad night for the working girls in terms of earning. there wouldnt have been much money coming in that night.

not that the girls keep the money in that trade … it usually goes to certain types of males who lurk around their territory, picking up and dropping off the girls, taking the earnings.

bassy

Ya can't blame the wolfman aka Robert Howard from wolfhill co.laois

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SpoonyMcSpoon

It is definitely a case where people make 2+2 = 5. The random man hanging around outside the office, the route he took home down Haddington Road instead of heading down Baggot St to get to Serpentine Avenue and the lack of information published about what Trevor actually emailed at 3:45am from his work computer.

Unfortunately, I think the most obvious and simple outcome is the most likely; it was stormy conditions, he walked down the canal in the middle of the night (drunk person taking the scenic route) and probably fell in somehow. At this stage, if Trevor met a prostitute and went back to her place where he was killed, we would have had more public appeals including somewhat related information. As someone above said, it's been 25 years which is a quarter of a century and it seems like this one will never be solved.

It is crazy to think the Chapilzod dig occurred 7 years ago when there was a tipoff;

Gardai probe 'woman at centre' of missing Trevor Deely case - Irish Mirror Online

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001133#Comment_123001133

Last sighting of him is the early hours on Friday the 8th of December but due to a few unfortunate factors, he wasn't noticed missing till the following Monday.

That's most of Friday, all of Saturday and all of Sunday where anything could have happened to his body.

I always thought the falling into the canal option was the most logical and then maybe floated out to see over those few days, but looking at the locations, the sea is a long way away for him to have made it there without being noticed.

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001133#Comment_123001133

It would mean a body getting through at least 2 locks, maybe 3 before reaching the Dodder and the Liffey and on to the open sea. It's possible both gates on each lock were open I suppose, but I don't buy it.

Xander10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001282#Comment_123001282

Are you making an assumption of the possible point of entry to the water?

chooseusername

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001288#Comment_123001288

Near where he was last sighted, so before Northumberland road would be 3 locks and before GrandCanal street would be 2 , I stand to be corrected on that

o1s1n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001288#Comment_123001288

I suppose a likely assumption can be made based on where he was when he was last seen and where his apartment was.

If he was to enter the water somewhere else you have to explain why he wasn't on his route home and then you go down the alternative theories routes - criminality etc.

Is there an 'entering water' theory that involves him going in somewhere closer to the sea that doesn't involve another linked theory?

SpoonyMcSpoon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001345#Comment_123001345

The criminal who gave the tip off about murdering him and burying the body somewhere which lead to the dig in Chapelizod must have been seen as credible based on one of the other theories about what happened; where the body didn’t go in the river. Personally I don’t think he fell in the canal.

GHendrix

In terms of the appeal, I’m not sure how important that man could possibly be now that we know he is not the same guy that followed Trevor.

Trevor was in the office for like 45 mins and that guy is nowhere to be seen when he came out or on the final footage.

Likely just a scumbag looking for a smoke or something

GHendrix

People always think that it’s weird that Trevor checked his emails that night but it’s not at all. His mate was on nightshift and needed 10 mins before he could catch up with Trevor.

That’s the only reason he logged on at all. Just killing 5 mins

csirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001378#Comment_123001378

The grand canal basin, River Liffey was only a very short walk in the direction he turned down Haddington Road/Canal. This part of the Liffey/basin would still have been part of Dublin Port at the time i.e. deep water.

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001407#Comment_123001407

given the rough night that was in it along with there being no taxis in what was anyone doing loitering around the place, standing in a ‘corner’ smoking a fag/ waiting for someone to give them a light, etc, etc, etc, etc. I’d say that anyone who was out in that weather that night would be scurrying along as fast as possible to get in out of the place back to their house, flat, to a party or whatever.
So , if an individual was the cause of Trevor’s disappearance he / she was a reality and operates in his / her own rarity. This possibility reminds me of that lady who was bungled into a car in Carlow 10+ years ago. And hunters came across her in the Dublin mountains being ‘ unloaded ‘from the same car by her attacker - . She had a very.ucky escape and the attacker drove off

Frost Spice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123001133#Comment_123001133

I don't think the emailing is strange, or the guy walking behind him on Haddington Road, or his illogical route home... but nothing will convince me that there wasn't something weird about the guy who waited at the same spot by the bank gate for nearly half an hour (approximately 28 minutes) in the pissing rain, then walked right up to Trevor as soon as he arrived, to converse with him.

I think anyone at first would have assumed there needed to be a waterways search, which I believe was the first Garda course of action.

slay55

I distinctly recall reading at the time , that it was confirmed that the search didn’t happen until a few days after he went missing (Mon). In that time the lock gates had been open and it was a strong possibility, had he fallen in , he could easily have been swept out to sea.

However , no body to ever be recovered after 25 years from the sea is quite unusual.

odyssey06

Of possible relevance to the discussion about canal etc below is from wikipedia:

"The Garda sub-aqua team searched the river Dodder and the Grand Canal but did not find anything. They were unable to drain the Grand Canal Basin as it would affect the structural integrity of the surrounding buildings. Deely's sister, Michele, said that she rang his phone a few times the weekend he went missing and she believes that it rang out. According to Dr. Philip Perry, a senior research fellow in the radio and optical communications laboratory at Dublin City University, a phone in 2000 would have gone dead within seconds of falling into the water. However, Michele said she is not 100% sure that it did actually ring."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Trevor_Deely

Day Lewin

The canals are closed all winter. It takes a hefty push, on shore, to open a lock gate, and the water has to be low enough to permit opening. The "pound" - section - between locks is only 5 or 6 feet deep, say 2 metres. A man of Trevor's height could walk out of it! You'd have to be trying hard to drown someone such that they disappear completely in a midwinter urban canal.

If he fell into water the Dodder is a much more likely proposition - a river pouring down from the mountains, it sweeps fast and strong, and floods in heavy rain.

But I think the "straws in the wind" all point the same way - enemy action. Possibly stumbled onto some transaction and saw something he shouldn't have. The crime gangs were definitely active in the area, supplying drugs to the sex workers.

There's really no way of knowing what happened - we can only guess at whatever we think is most likely, or least unlikely.

Rooks

From the Irish Times article above.

Det Sgt Fitzgerald says, “There were three waterways that came into play: the Grand Canal, the Dodder and the Grand Canal basin. I remember us watching the sea: going out to the Pigeon House and watching the tides coming in and out. They can look at the Grand Canal basin but they can never drain it, because the buildings around it would fall in. They did have a look at it anyway, as far as you can look at it, but you’d like to be able to drain it. God only knows what’s down there.”

“I’m absolutely certain today that Trevor, or anything belonging to Trevor, is not in the Grand Canal,” says Mark. “What I cannot be certain of is that he is not in the Grand Canal basin or something belonging to him is not in the Grand Canal basin.

“If I won the EuroMillions, I’d do that in the morning. It’s the one thing I’d do.”

AhhHere

With his flatmates being away is it possible he made it home but did something on Saturday or Sunday?

blue4ever

The canal at that time was brazzer heaven. One man seemed to be on the Garda radar for perhaps being involved. He was into all sorts, big in to drugs but also a pimp, thus he was living in the vicinity where he could control the ladies. Never got why he at TD would have crossed paths but he was in the area. Even if he was washed out to sea (going through lock gates?), the sea always gives up the dead - if they went in accidentally. I agree with the op - the area was lit with crims, he may have been really unlucky. And, our boys and girls in blue have information, not in the public domain, not released, so they can verify it's veracity.

Frost Spice

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123002396#Comment_123002396

He didn't show up for work on Friday though, and couldn't be contacted.