Luas Finglas

6 months doesn't seem that crazy to me when you think of what 4km means in an urban environment, there's a lot to consider no? And you can't keep throwing bodies at a task like this before they start tripping over each other.

We'd all love it to happen quicker but I think what may look like a "relatively simple" rail project is not simple in any absolute sense.

please, for the love of God, put away this hobby-horse.

It has a stand-alone corridor between Broombridge and Broadstone.

There will be no clamour to upgrade it to metro.

We won’t see, because it won’t happen.

This line should be more segregated, given there is a high chance, this will become our airport service… When is the public consultation or has it already taken place?

Yeah I am aware it isnt designed as an airport service. But there is a good chance metrolink wont be built, I read several articles in the irish times recently, speculating the same thing… Wont be surprised if it isnt built, that they bring the Dart and Luas to it, via finglas…

I'd say the chances of metrolink being built are 50/50 or thereabouts, the endless planning farce, actually hinders these projects going ahead, by the time they have planning, often the financial circumstances have changed and the first thing they should continue pumping money into with our colossal infrastructure deficit, is the first thing that is cut…

Say the cost is ten billion, its actually nothing in the scheme of things… But to the public , its sold differently by the media etc.. Who only want to sell their papers and sell misinformed agenda driven nonsense…

tell that to the charlemont residents who don’t give a fiddlers about the rest of us.

The system must allow NIMBYISM to be declared fair.
For the system to work properly it has to deal with these NIMBYS quickly.
When metrolink gets RO in jan, a JR will be applied for probably on the last week of the window.
So let’s say RO is granted on Friday jan 31st, a JR will be applied for W/C mon 24/3/25
The JR, if granted, should only take a further 8 weeks if we were serious about getting infrastructure built, which would bring us to W/C mon 19/5/25.
At that stage construction should be given the go ahead.

But we can only wish for this setup as we have no idea how long a JR will take under the new planning courts- if in fact they are setup and ready?

I’m a big believer in the Greens on transport but I will say they are big part of the problem on planning.

Yeah, this is one that I always find funny. We have quite a lot of “green” legislation on the books here that objectors can use to delay projects, but almost none of it has come from the Green Party.

The Greens have been in government only twice: in the 30th Dáil (2007-2011) and the 33rd (2020-2024). But, surprisingly, we enacted very little environmental legislation during either period. Some people just want a scapegoat, and the Green Party fits their ideological bill for it, but the truth is that every party in the state that can come within an ass’s roar of government is on the same page when it comes to environmental legislation - especially as quite a lot of it is dictated by EU treaty obligations.

The biggest “threat” to large infrastructure projects is the right to consultation about environmental issues granted by the Aarhus Convention. This is the most successful lever that NIMBY groups can use to stall or cancel a project, and it is the main grounds under which Judicial Reviews are sought. It has nothing to do with the Greens, though, as we ratified the Aarhus Convention in 2012, under a FG/Labour government.

Yeah but they end up going to JRs anyway.
Hopefully the new planning court and planning bill brought in by FG will sort that.