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What's the story with lads in the bookies?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    You will lose less and you will have ZERO fun. It's a pointless bet

    I would guess that the amount of people frequenting betting shops or betting online that would put on that bet the way you are suggesting would be less than .01%. In fact I would suggest it could actually be zero!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,301 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I know.

    Some people like the accas for the excitement of it, the potential big win, watching the results come in etc.

    But you will lose money quicker than just doing single bets.

    Bookies love them because the chances of winning are so slim.

    I picked every game correct in the NFL last week in a competition I'm in, and I got them all right a few weeks ago also.

    I didn't put an acca on it, but if I did it would probably not have covered all the other weeks over the years where I would have lost money by putting on an acca and not getting every pick right.

    If you want to have any chance of breaking even or better avoid accas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne


    Oh I know what you mean and I'll leave it at this so as not to drag it off topic.

    Fellas putting on €5 a week on an accum (who you advised to put on 5 separate single bets) are not doing it to break even. They are having a bit of craic in the hope of getting up something like a 20/1 shot for example. They are prepared to lose that fiver in the hope of making a decent profit while not risking a whole lot. They are not investing that fiver to sit at home watching a matches hoping to win 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 quid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,826 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I don't think the guys who do a fiver on a few teams every weekend are addicted to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,301 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Neither do I, but Paddy Power and co love them all the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Hodger


    There is a older lad I work with aged about late 40s early 50s on his days off he spends the days going between a bookies and a pub down the road from the bookies.

    He is married but himself and his wife have no kids

    Outside of work the bookies and the pub is his whole social life.

    Thats one reason why some people spend a lot of time in the bookies its their social life.

    Me personally I dont see or get the appeal of standing around watching horses racing on a big screen and then picking which horse you think might win and bet on it; but every person to his or her own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Avon8


    The lack of understanding of the gambling industry in this thread is a sight to behold. I suppose it's just reflective of wider society though and most aptly reflected in the farce of a gambling bill that was recently voted through, designed to regulate the bookmakers and stop problem gambling but will actually exasberate the problem by sending customers to unregulated sites in their droves

    On that note, did the people calling for greater regulation and advertising bans miss this bill announcement? The ads are gone before the watershed. The idea that bookies have been operating without very stringent regulation is about 15 years outdated, and they'll be subject to some incredibly draconian rules in the new year

    I keep seeing the "bookmakers making huge profits" line also? Where and who exactly? If that's the case then why are licensed bookmakers leaving Ireland in droves? All the independents sold up or went bust once the insanely high 2% tax on turnover came in. There's talk of that going to 3% (it'll basically equal about 70% of net revenue before costs). There's a not unreasonable chance that Flutter (Paddy Power) switch off Ireland in the medium term. The only real winners in Ireland currently are the taxman, and with the ridiculous new regulation the only winners in future will be the likes of Stake or other black market online casinos that are currently hovering around the Irish market like flies on shiite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭yagan


    On the other hand it's not like the gambling industry pay for the social services needed for the damage done. No one should be complaining about taxation considering how much support the horses and dog gambling industries get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Avon8


    Gambling companies do pay for problem gambling services outside of the ones they offer internally. They've also been fined to the tune of billions at this point by the gambling commission, which goes to responsible gambling services, and are basically so scared of falling foul again they can't but be responsible in their actions in recent years. That's mostly UK but Ireland falls under the same umbrella. I can't believe I'm taking their side here, they've been a pain in my hole for years, but some of the stuff posted here is so misguided

    The bookies themselves are not the racing industry, they're by an large separate and even at loggerheads. Racing is increasingly seen as a problem area for the bookmakers as they demand huge levy payments from bookmakers and media rights are very expensive. A lot of bookmakers are stopping offering racing as it's more of a problem than it's worth. Flutter have stopped offering odds on certain UK tracks. They'd do the same in Ireland if it wasn't so popular locally, so it continues to be ran to tiny margins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,301 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Paddy Power app has a thing called The Wonder Wheel.

    You get a free spin every day and can win a 10c scratch card, a free bet or €100 in cash top prize, or you could win nothing.

    I had not done it in months but did it a few days ago and won nothing, and then I forgot about it until today.

    Today I won a 10c scratch card and on that scratch card I won €2.

    I am very much of the opinion that that is the Paddy Power app algorithm welcoming me back.

    will keep doing the free spins for the next few months and see how much I can build up, of anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Avon8


    PP (Flutter) is a $50bn dollar company that is audited to the back of its teeth. Those games have return to players values that are pre-set, similar to casino games and online poker (they also own pokerstars) and are all regulated and checked to the hilt.

    They're not about to risk their position on the NY stock exchange and the $40bn value of their American business so they can tempt back a few Paddy power customers worth pennies with underhand means

    Your previous assertion that singles are better for the customer and multis better for the bookie is generally correct with the mass market customer. Margins multiply over each bet, so if the bookie is making 5% margin off leg one, if that wins it'll roll onto leg 2 which will be at 5% margin and so on. The scenario happens in reverse for positive value (for the customer) selections however. Professional gamblers aim to spin up their advantage by having multiple positive value selections in the same bet. For example placing a 'bad each way' accumulator on horse racing is one of the quickest ways of getting your account restricted or closed down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,701 ✭✭✭Xander10




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,865 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting to see New Zealand is shutting down greyhound racing on animal welfair grounds. I grew up in a family that raced greyhounds as a pastime, we loved them and when their racing days were over they were great pets. What greyhound racing in Ireland is now is unrecognisable, it's no longer a pastime but is instead a cruel industry and that's all down to gambling money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,595 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I am not sure how true it is at all but for a lot of them it’s just a place to be for the day. I’ve heard from some it’s common enough for some people (and generally the ones who seem to live in the place), to make the odd bet during the day but really the objective is just a place to spend the day and get free tea/coffee.

    Suppose if you’re living alone or whatever isn’t it better than sitting in the house all day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,827 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Was it called ‘Santa’s little helper ‘ 😃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,063 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    most with serious psychological problems such as cptsd stemming from serious traumas, particularly from childhood, this manifests as extremely dysfunctional behaviors such as serious addictions, tis very very difficult to treat, and tends to be life long!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,547 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I worked in a bookies for a couple of years and ur right. A lot of the older lads who lived outside the town would've been the ones going for pints at 5 or 6pm years ago they can't do that anymore as they can't drive so they hang around chatting putting a few 5 euro bets on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,277 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    I don't drink or do any drugs. I don't really watch TV or play video games…use to do both quite a bit. I am a fiend for Tea though! Throw a nice buttered scone or a purple snack bar into the mix and you've got a good rush going, baby!



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