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Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    It wasn't 'trial by social media' or 'groupthink'. It was a trial with highly paid legal teams, a judge and jury and it was six years in the making.

    The confirmed rapist/serial woman assaulter tried to start a social media campaign to vilify Nikita Hand after the verdict alright, although he might live to regret that move. Any sign of that appeal yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Remy Farrell says it’s likely an appeal happens. I can’t see it. McGregor be best advised to let this go now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Her injuries which included a tampon being surgically removed from her makes me pretty sure he's guilty as sin. It's also not the first accusation against him but those cases disappeared due to intimidation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Wait so the judge said the jury didn't believe Lawrence had consensual sex with her, that it was all part of joint defence to cast doubt on Ms Hand. Nasty business



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes. It’s not actual fact, it’s his opinion. As far as I know, the jury have not given exacts reasons as to why they found Lawrence “innocent.” It’s highly likely that they dismissed Ms. Hand’s claim against Lawrence because they believed Lawrence lied about having any sexual intercourse with Ms. Hand.

    “Both men had filed a joint defence and were “in lock step” with each other and the jury finding that Mr Lawrence had not assaulted Ms Hand must have arisen because the jury did not believe Mr Lawrence’s claim he had consensual sex with Ms Hand after Mr McGregor left the hotel, he said.”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,876 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Her legal team took the case on a 'no win, no fee' basis. McGregor pays it all.

    If she had lost the case, she would have been liable for her own and the other side's costs.

    A GoFundMe is definitely not required - in regard to costs anyway.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Frank Greaney on Matt Cooper isn't ruling out the no win no fee scenario being how it was handled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭jj880


    So just to be clear how did Nikita Hands allegation against Lawrence materialize? Were Lawrence and McGregor pushing that story before things went legal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Surely she will be paying some fees? There was effort and time on behalf of her legal team preparing for a dealing with this element of the case?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Lawrence claimed to the gardai that he slept with her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,240 ✭✭✭LollipopJimmy


    He doesn't take advice. Any bit of brain he has is destroyed from coke. He's an addict and has been for most of his adult life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,659 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    The judge literally said that no inference should be taken from the amount of damages awarded:

    "He [Mr. Justice Alexander Owens] disagreed the award of damages from the jury cast any light on the jury’s decision and said the jury were advised to be moderate.

    The fact they did not award aggravated or exemplary damages to Ms Hand did not cast doubt on their findings, he said."

    Conor McGregor faces paying bulk of Nikita Hand’s legal costs of successful civil rape claim – The Irish Times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,371 ✭✭✭jj880


    Ffs. So that was the genius idea from McGregor, Lawrence and their legal team

    "My bud rode her after me so it wasn't rape"

    What a pair of gimps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    So Lawrence was found innocent and he has to pay no costs or no one pays his costs, is that correct?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭Quango Unchained


    I was on on a jury before in a criminal trial, in a not too dissimilar case. Juries are messy. Barristers are there to win and use every trick in the book to try and manipulate a jury.

    Anyone who 100% believes one party or the other in this case, is letting their head rule their head. It is understandable in such an emotive case.

    The evidence clearly didn't meet the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' threshold here so people marching on the DPP demanding a criminal trial are under the influence of social media brainwashing and groupthink. They're not considering all of the evidence objectively.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He has to pay his own costs, Hand has to pay any costs on her side in relation to Lawrence. Worth noting that McGregor is likely paying Lawrence's costs since he's been acting as the fall guy for McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,033 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Thanks I wondered about his costs, you are probably right about Conor paying for him



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,846 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    He was not found "innocent". He was not found anything! The jury did not believe that he raped her. He claimed that he had slept with her twice and there was nontampon, etc. She disputed his claim.

    Both men claimed they had consensual sex with her. She claimed mcgregor raped her and she didn't have sex with Lawrence - the sex with Lawrence was introduced by the two to protect mcgregor. The jury agreed that Lawrence didn't rape her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,434 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yes, but did you read the judge’s comments? He very likely lied about having sexual intercourse with Ms Hand.

    Both men had filed a joint defence and were “in lock step” with each other and the jury finding that Mr Lawrence had not assaulted Ms Hand must have arisen because the jury did not believe Mr Lawrence’s claim he had consensual sex with Ms Hand after Mr McGregor left the hotel, he said.

    And judge also said Lawrence found “innocent,” but not based off what he was alleging

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,418 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Anyone who 100% believes one party or the other in this case, is letting their head rule their head. It is understandable in such an emotive case.

    You don't have to believe one party over the other 100% or vice versa.

    What a Jury has to decide on is the substantive issues.

    Which they did.



  • Posts: 133 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My reading is that he pays his own and since CMG said he'd pay them , they are covered and she's not liable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    He wasn't 'found innocent'.

    She said she didn't have consensual sex with him so if he's claiming it as part of the notorious woman beaters defence, then that must have been rape too. But the medical evidence found no backup to his version of events so his version was rejected by the jury and therefore so was any potential claim of rape.

    Not too long before the tweets arrive once he starts drinking.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Well this particular jury got to hear 'every trick in the book' from both sides and came to the conclusion on the presented evidence and testimonies from all involved that McGregor brutally battered and raped Nikita Hand and that James Lawrence is a complete spoofer (and patsy) of the highest order.

    I won't be marching to the DPP's office but on the evidence that was reported, especially the harrowing medical and physical evidence, I have been fully convinced that McGregor is a cowardly, woman beating rapist.

    Fingers crossed he's done for contempt too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Gotta think that Lawrence 'sleeping with' Nikita was a land mine set for her legal team. Once the story materialised, they had to address it as part of the litigation, increasing her legal fees, lengthening the trial and the time it took to come to Court. McGregor's side knew it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny but that was never the point. It was to cast doubt on her case and character 'Look! You can't believe a word she says'. It was to scare her into dropping the case. Very shady behaviour, to put it mildly.

    The dogs in the street have known about McGregor's 'activities' with ladies for years. Finally it's in the public realm.

    If Nikita is stung with a big legal bill, half the country will send her €50 on revolut and it'll be covered in a few hours.

    What grounds for appeal McGregor has, I don't know, but as has happened a few times on appeal when they don't have a real cause to appeal or it's frivolous, the Court can come down very hard on it. Monetarily, it won't hurt McGregor but it will amplify the case again.

    Feted by 'yes men' and fanboys for too long, he thinks he can just post what he wants on social media and then just delete it and 'it's ok'. Juvenile stuff. That's the maturity he has despite all his money. Calling the Courts a kangaroo court, you might get away with throwing insults in MMA and online but the lawyers and judge's don't forget. He insulted the whole Court system and tried to cast doubt on it and the 12 innocent people who had to listen to all the evidence and come to a decision. He could have had the trial decided by a judge but he insisted on a jury, further pushing up costs. And then rubbishes the whole thing.

    An arrogant little pup is the only way to describe him. He's lived his whole life without consequences and finally people he'd consider beneath him are telling him 'no' and he can't handle it.

    Next time he needs an injunction to keep a story out of the media, his team will get a frosty reception.

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭nc6000


    He wasn't "found innocent" of anything. Infact he appears to have repeatedly lied to bit the Gardai and while he was giving evidence. His story was part of a cover-up to make Ms Hand look bad and as a way to cover-up McGregor s latest rape.

    He should be done for perjury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Surely It could just as easily argued that she sued Lawrence in order to prevent McGregor from calling him as a witness ?

    she ( her legal team) expected to loose this case but it was worth it to keep Lawrence out of the picture as a witness who would likely help McGregor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,561 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Got any evidence that her legal team expected to lose? Also I'm guessing McGregor could still have called him as a witness. The reality is McGregor pushed him into the limelight well before any civil case was opened, his entire involvement was to cover for McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    and Lawrence's claims may have played a part in the DPPs decision not to take a criminal case against McGregor.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Grassy Knoll


    you would have to wonder about well educated and privileged people like lawyers in conscience actually accepting money from the likes of McGregor … I would hope they. pass some of it onto women’s charities, some chance I know, but in my book it is tainted …



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