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The End of Assad? Syrian Rebels enter the outskirts of Aleppo for the first time since 2016

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    They are storming the City as we speak and locals are celebrating. Unlike Aleppo they made a stand here but still lost convincingly. The rebels showed patience and superior tactical ability. They even initially retreated from the city a few days ago.

    Will Holms turn out better for Assad? An even bigger population somewhere between Aleppo and Hama. They'll be better prepared but it's the last city stopping Damascus being cut off from the sea. The Russian air force are running out of airbases and space aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They are driving in Hama on top of pickups. Waving flags and hooting. It's a relaxed scene.

    As JMeire pointed out, the people whonm support Assad are all along the coast a d in the South West, a long sliver cut in 2 and probably more soon, will they be left rule themselves to end it wiped out gradually .

    You'd have to expect the long term peace for them to not be a nice thing either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    The ISIS you are speaking about are the ones who rolled into Syria / Iraq unopposed back in 2014/15 etc! at the height of their power, that ISIS is gone. They were broken into small pieces in Raqqa , and have never recovered from that. So yes, the ISIS version of Islam lives on, but there were and still are many anti-isis factions. Their cold blooded killing turned many Muslims against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭crusd


    I needed to check this up because it didn't seem to add up.

    Assad trained as a Doctor and served as a Doctor in the Syrian armed forces from 1988 to 1992. In 1992 he went to London for a post grad in Ophthalmology at a London eye hospital. While in London, his older brother Bassel, who was marked down as successor, died in a car accident in 1994 and Bashir returned to the Syrian army to be in position to be his successor. He took over on his fathers death in 2000. Maher is his younger brother and was never to be successor.

    Its always wise to check up apocryphal stories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Scenes reminiscent of the liberation of Kherson. The locals weren't too happy with the regime.

    IMG_20241205_140548_530.jpg IMG_20241205_140548_006.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Hama's central prison has been emptied.

    Map update shows Qamhane encircled. They were smart enough not to try and hit it head on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Me thinks someone gave the rebels some manpads or they figured out how to use the captured AA

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Exactly. These rebels are trained on the level of the Ukrainians. Basically to a Turkish NATO standard minus the air support. Very tactical.

    I just watched the video of the Russian supplied attack helicopter. It was miles in the air and they took it out. It fire balled and took forever to hit the ground. It looked like the pilot's jumped out and fell with it. As it weaved in and out it's rotor blades might even have caught them a few times.

    This war and the Ukrainian war proving many video games and Hollywood movies to not be so far fetched after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Actually reminds me of the American backed Mujahedeen forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Those lads uses Stinger missiles, forced the Soviets to fly so high that the Russian conscripts nicknames them "Cosmonauts"

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Sounds like Salamiyah has been surrendered without a fight. Mid-size city but trying to see where the next point of major resistance will be before Homs. It could also prove significant as it removes the need to try and cross the Orontes river between Hama and Homs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Them Russians should be familiar with concept of defenestration

    it’s almost a national pastime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    City of about 60k the new front line will probably end up in settlements around the edge of Holms. If you were an Assad fighter how would morale be after losing Aleppo in 3 days and Hama after another week?

    It's do or die for Assad and the Russians. Lose Holms and Damascus is cut off from the Mediterranean sea. Might as well be cut off from Iran too as the Americans bomb their convoys in the desert. A much weakened Hezbollah won't be of too much help either. I wouldn't like to be that particular Shia terrorist organisation with Israel, American bases and superior Turkish Sunni Muslims surrounding you. Not to mention the Lebanese army or Lebanese Christians/Sunnis wouldn't be their biggest fan. Maybe they shouldn't have started a battle with Israel. Always look at the bigger picture.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Think some of the Turkish officers involved with the planning have been doing a very thorough job. Imagine they have various fifth-columns to aid their efforts.

    Very bad timing for the Assad regime. Hezbollah de-fanged by the IDF and the Russians occupied with Ukraine. Even the forthcoming change in the US administrations might make the SDF less decisive in what it does.

    Homs might be the make it or break point for the efforts to see off the offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    It's a real shame for Iran they've been selling many of their best weapons to Russia. You make the bed now you may lie in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Very true. Also the Russians are in a far worse spot than in 2016 in terms of available weapons. Back then, there were countless early model T72s and upgraded T62s that could be shipped over if needed. Given that the Russian advance in being conducted by e-scooters and UTVs at times, can't see the Syrian army getting resupplied anytime soon.

    The best equipment the SAA had, might have already been abandoned. The next week or so will be very telling as to the outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    These rebels can make a good profit selling these systems Russians are abandoning like the Pantsir on previous page to Ukrainians who would put it to good use



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    It looks like a defensive line wasn't even attempted at the river crossing. Night time footage claiming Al-Rastan is taken. See what the daylight brings but that'd indicate things are accelerating again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Holms is 50% bigger then Hama with a population of 1.5M. Half way between the cities is a large town called Ar Rastan. There's a river, dam and large reservoir making this the best place to set up the next defensive line. Assad's forces are likely to retreat to hear so the rebels could take another 20km tomorrow without resistance.

    How this battle goes will be very telling. The rebels might try a wide flank on both sides to get around the reservoir but that's easier said then done. Then again they've been doing things far easier then anyone would have suspected.

    Screenshot_20241205-175844.png

    An Israeli drone conducting strikes near Homs as a Turkish supplied rebel drone conducts it's own strikes. The world is a complicated place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The only thing stopping them is potholes.

    If Homs was another just walk in type battle wouldn't be surprising.

    People in Homs saying the Assad forces are gone from the city. Who knows but you couldn't be surprised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And having checked it up, are you happy with my version of events?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This is madness if true. They genuinely tried to defend Hama and had the backing of limited Russian airstrikes. After 5 days they were defeated but in that time they should have been setting up a new line where the landscape favours them. If they really abandoned this Holms this isn't looking good for Assad.

    Will they hold out in Damascus (2.5M people) with the backing of Hezbollah who are now coming to help as Israel strikes them over the border in Syria. They say the coastal areas are fiercely loyal to Assad. Where's Homs, Hama and Aleppo suffered brutal crackdowns under the regime.

    The Iranian's are scrambling an emergency meeting with allies in Iraq to see what can be done. If their supply lines to Lebanon are cut off Hezbollah are goosed. Israel should be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    A lot of the inmates in Syrian prisons would have been anti Assad "rebels"…because millions of Syrians were able to escape from Syria, millions more could not, and had to stay, but their hatred of the Assad family was always present. This explains why rebel forces are getting an easy ride through a lot of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    To this day, the Afghan countryside is littered with the skeleton frames of the HIND Russian helicopters, and Russian tanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    First year of Biden's term we had the fall of the Afghan government, last year of his we might have the fall of the Syrian one. Would be strange bookends to his administration.

    Watching some of the footage of the rebels on Al-Jazeera, they look well equipped and their morale seems to be (understandably) through the roof. Still amazed at the speed of their advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Rumours abound online that Israel is preparing a ground offensive in Syria to create a buffer zone.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    They could end up snatching (another) chunk of the Golan heights. Might be their chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    We will have to wait and see! As I mentioned in an earlier post, the ISIS contingent fighting against Assad is a very much reduced force, and I believe that the kind of behaviour they were noted for in the past, will not be tolerated in a "new" Syria. In all the areas and cities taken so far, HTS have gone to great pains to talk to people, of all creeds (Aleppo has a large Christian population. One of its main universities is called after St.Don Bosco) And they have been assured that they will not be attacked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    ISIS do still exist and just now they've began to defeat the Assad forces and take over settlements in the desert to the south east of Homs expanding their control.

    The Kurds just released a statement to say they are gearing up to prevent a repeat of 2014 and I'd say the American air force will be ready.

    Israel have also announced hundreds of Hezbollah going into Syria. So it's likely their fight has just moved there. They'll be easier to target in Syria.

    I agree with the poster above they'll use this as a pretext to take more of the Golan heights. Watch the mad lefties will be out waving their flags again once it happens but not a peep out of them the last 2 weeks about the main battles going on in Syria.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Quote;- "They say the coastal areas are fiercely loyal to Assad. Where's Homs, Hama and Aleppo suffered brutal crackdowns under the regime." Thats it in a nutshell!! Imagine HTS attacking Hama, where in 1982 Hafiz Assad quelled a revolt in Hama, sieged for 27 days, then levelled the city killing 40'000 Hama inhabitants? Theres a lot of central Syria where they were less than enthuastic about the Assad regime. But all along the coast, it's a different story,,,Assad was seen as a protector of the minorities (being from a minority himself, the Alawite's) here they will fight. Back in 2015, Damascus was within days if not hours of falling to the FSA. And many people would have been happy to see Assad defeated, and after that he called in Putin, and the rest as they say is history. Be interesting how Damascus fares out this time.



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