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Western Rail Corridor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭seekers


    I see track panels and buffers stored in Athenry at the start of the Tuam line this morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Any word or mutterings about the reopening of the Athenry - Claremorris line…? I heard word a short while ago that it would qualify for TEN-T funding which would be very useful and I believe that timings on the line could be made very competitive for accessing Galway for people from Tuam and Mayo.

    The line would also not only have big potential use and validity as a passenger line but the ability to use it to reroute the Westport/Ballina - Waterford timber and XPO Liner off of the the heavily over-used and capacity-stricken Athlone - Portarlington section and down the much lesser used WRC lines, with a reversal in the Roxborough Road sidings in Limerick and possible passings in Gort, Ennis, Limerick, Limerick Jnct and Clonmel, adds further merit to the case. This will really free up paths between Portarlington and Athlone for extra passenger services to Westport and Galway as there are almost daily return workings of these freight services on this line that restrict passenger capacity and I firmly think that this would be a real significant benefit of the line’s reopening.

    A station would only really need to be built at Tuam (and it’s the only place I can see them building one…) and maybe at a stretch, Ballindine, with a passing loop at Tuam, so costs would not be very high in terms of the built infrastructure outside of just track relaying and resignalling. I do believe that this project however should be done in tandem with the Galway - Athenry doubling or at the very least, the passing loop at Oranmore to allow for the extra services from Tuam that would be using that line in the peak.

    I really think there is a large case to be made for the reopening of phases 2 and 3 of the WRC, for both passengers and freight and hopefully if the TEN- T funding is approved, it can be made happen pretty lively! Galway Ceannt is a prime prime asset of a train station, being the closest train station to a city centre in the entire country by a long way, and with a large bus station for urban and regional onward bus travel right outside the door, whether or not the journey is ‘faster’ than the car from Tuam and Mayo, many people will chose the convenience over travel time, and besides, the train will very likely beat town centre - town centre road travel in the morning and evening peaks due to the awful traffic in Galway!

    On a final note, is the route of the line still suitable and appropriate for competitive passenger service? And if not is it worth it price and hassle-wise to try and realign some of the route in certain places? I’m fairly sure it’s actually a pretty straight alignment in most places, unlike every other phase of the WRC but just wondering if some windy parts would be worth realigning…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Any funding which may be available under TEN-T will be miniscule in relation to the overall cost of reopening the line. People seriously misunderstand what it is.

    Doubling Athlone - Portarlington would be far better value. Any traffic rerouted along WRC would be small and likely have a greater detrimental effect in the Limerick area than positive effect between Athlone and Portarlington.

    Does the timber producer want to send their goods to Foynes? Presumably some is going to the plywood factory at Bellview and the rest on to Europe, Foynes would make no sense. It would be far more beneficial to invest in the existing network which has existing users (both passengers and freight) but as it serves the main populated areas has a lot of scope for expansion, than throw hundreds of millions of € at a line with one town on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    The good old days

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2016/1107/829709-railway-tracks-removed/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭I told ya




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,487 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,745 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes. There was a complete traverse by inspection car in 2004 I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,368 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Presumably they were happy with the refurbished track at this location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭91wx763


    Here's a better account of that whole situation

    Post edited by 91wx763 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    I've heard the reopening of the Western rail corridor to Claremorris mentioned a few times now since the election.

    It's the kind of thing that can be delivered in the lifetime of the new government and a cheap buy off to a certain cohort of independents.

    Depending on the makeup of the government this could suddenly happen.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    FF/FG are 2 seats short of a majority. They'll be forming the next government and neither has any interest in reopening the WRC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,745 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Unless you've an Independent that wants it and picks it as their only thing to sell their vote for (as its very expensive). Not sure that Grealish, Canney or Harkin have any intent to do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    They'll want more then 2 independents so. I think WRC is realistic this time, particularly if it is part funded by EU.

    As I understand it FF & FG are united behind it in the region and that its accepted to be more realistic than the road currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭intellectual dosser


    Canney has mentioned it any time a microphone has been put in front him since being elected. Grealish would prioritise the Galway City ring road.

    Politically, a lot of the heel dragging has been removed with the departures of Ciaran Cannon and Anne Rabitte.

    It would be a lot to expect it’s even started within the term of the next government, let alone completed. Realistic objectives might be the completion of Ceannt and Oranmore station upgrades, the double tracking of Galway to Athenry and maybe a design and submission for Phase 2 of the Western Rail Corridor. I’m basing that on the pitiful speed things happen in Ireland in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    They will need a third wheel though.

    If that's to be independents then I can see this going ahead, white elephant or not.

    It's shovel ready (ish) and can easily be started within a couple of years.

    It's relatively cheap and won't do FFG any harm either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    A project that will help far more people is doubling the track from GY to Athenry.

    This helps the following:

    (1) local traffic to Oranmore and Athenry, with hopefully new stations in Renmore and Roscam

    (2) pax going intercity to Dublin

    (3) pax using the WRC to Clare and Limerick

    (4) it helps with any possible future re-opening of the WRC to Tuam and Claremorris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    That's not the point here though.

    A shiny new railway to Claremorris is cheap and quick to deliver.

    It's something tangible for the independents in the area to point to and say ye actually got something by voting for me.

    The locals will think their man is great whereas in reality his influence could have delivered something more useful.

    Contrast that to Verona Murphy in Wexford and she's talking about improving the road and railway to Dublin as 10000 people leave the county every day. She's not on about opening Wexford to Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    There is nothing cheap or quick about WRC Phase 2. Phase 1 and the Foynes reinstatement show the cost will be >€100m.

    A new bridge is required across the N63, that will require planning permission as a like for like reinstatement isn't possible given the area is very different now to when the old bridge existed. That will take a couple of years even with a simple grant and no appeals.

    It isn't budgeted for under the NDP and has a long list of projects ahead of it for finding.

    The next government isn't going to touch it regardless of it's make up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,745 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Depends on how gullible the Independent looking for it as their sweeties to stay quiet* is - if they'll take another report and a few surveys; they'll willingly fund those.

    *literally, to some extent - Independents officially supporting the Government won't be in any technical group and will have massively limited speaking rights. If they aren't a Minister you might literally not hear from them for months in the Dáil!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    €100m is nothing.

    It's all about optics.

    Politicians can point and say "look what we got open, the West wasn't ignored"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    €100m is not nothing. It requires full Cabinet sign off, not something a Minister can hand over on their own. It will also have to go through the full PSC process which has various steps which have to be fulfilled. As yet, WRC isn't even at step 1 and any assessments which have been undertaken have found no case to be made for reopening.

    After the shenanigans with the Foynes line, you can be sure there will be serious scrutiny of other similar projects.

    There is nothing cheap or quick about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    €100m is nothing. Compared to possibly €10 Billion on a metro it's peanuts.

    Limerick to Cork motorway € 2 Billion.

    And it is quick to deliver. Compare it Limerick - Cork or the metro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    That is not how government spending or project delivery works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    I understand that.

    But politicians will sell their soul at times like this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Not made with hands


    Ultimately if the new government decides it's for "balanced regional development" then it gets the nod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 200 ✭✭ArcadiaJunction


    The irony of the Indo attacking the DART in 1979 is off set by the greater irony of the WRC folks comparing the Tuam to Collooney light railway to the Dublin coastal commuter route which was already bursting at the seams with passengers even with appaling rolling stock by the time that gargle-saturated editorial was written.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,351 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The new government will be the same as the old government with a small appendage replaced by another. Whoever the new element of the government is, they aren't going to be able to force through WRC any more than Green Party Minister for Transport Ryan with a dozen TDs was.

    FF/FG have multiple options for getting a healthy Dáil majority, they'll get Independents for 10% of the cost of the WRC. Anyone trying to extract that will be quickly passed over.

    And, as pointed out several times already, it has a long procedure to navigate before it can go to construction and is unlikely to have completed that in the lifetime of the next government so it would be a pretty stupid thing for an Independent to hang their support on. It'd be the first thing canned by the following government.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Would Tuam in be more possible ?



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