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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    If you think the Greens had a "stupid pinko Left manifesto" wait until you see Ivana Batshits "Labour" party and "Holly's Sock Dems"….

    Mod: warned, uncivil

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    I think those who think that climate change is the number one issue should form a party where this is the sole policy focusing entirely on pragmatic approaches and avoiding the left/right wars

    Green parties across Europe allowed the pinkos who migrated from Left parties to take over in the process turning away voters

    Climate change won’t be solved by alienating voters and businesses with taxes and by continuing to campaign against technologies like nuclear and fracking, while going on about pushbikes and supporting the burning of rainforests



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,882 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Just be glad the Greens didn't push through Congestion Zones and U/LEZ zones…

    And sure it was Mickey Martin's Fine Fail's that sold off Ireland's Oil and Gas reserves to a private company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Surely FFG should be responsible for bringing nuclear on board? Why do people always blame the Greens for no nuclear? A tiny party with a smidgeon of power, twice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Because they are the party moaning the loudest about climate change while for everyone else it’s a minor issue (which reflects the population itself for whom climate is probably not in top 10 issues)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    They've lost their climate whipping boys for the next 5 years.

    The cycle will probably be repeated. EU asks us what are we doing about targets we signed up to. Government starts talking about the need for action. Media says tells people that that is what the Greens have been saying. They increase their seat count enough to influence policy. They get the sh*t kicked out by them once again.

    And all the time the IPCC will be saying action is needed, and online posters will be saying the Greens are solely responsible for destroying the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Maybe they'll feel different when carbon taxes are gone as soon as new government is formed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,656 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    You might not be far off with this assessment. The Greener than Green Party. What would you call it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    The Conservative Party 🤓

    After all the main goal should be to conserve the climate and throw away all the extreme right and left that distracts from this issue

    If you want a good read

    near future sci-fi (cli fi?) explores the political aspects and stupidity of Green movements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Carbon credits system is a logical mess. Is it 'global' crisis, or does this climate crisis adhere to national borders? We're ok to burn brickets as long as they're from Germany, we're ok to burn wood chips and eat meat as long as they're shipped from Brazil. Is the solution to this fallacy to keep going down the food chain until we can attribute emissions to a country that has the sense to see through this, so everyone can be happy?

    Germany, Italy, France, Ireland etc. all in trouble for this 2030 tripe.

    Those nations in trouble by and large make up the EU - is the premise here to fine themselves? Will the EU be held in good steed by then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Back in the 1970s, there was such a plan backed by FF/FG governments of the time. Here is a photo of Petra Kelly at Carnsore in 1979. She was one of the founders of the German Green party in 1980. She did not bring that project down on her own, after that protest, the matter became "radioactive" for the Irish political establishment, politicians flipped. During the period on the 1980s there was also the campaign for nuclear disarmament (CND) and the matter of nuclear reprocessing in Sellafield, strangely in La Hague in France does not get a mention. There was Fianna Fail TD Joe Jacob and the iodine tablets, nuclear power generation was put to bed under a FF/PD coalition by the Electricity Regulation Act, 1999

    ve_kelly_chapter3_figure1-kelly.carnsorepoint.jpg

    Laws can be changed, it will be reconsidered should 4th generation nuclear reactors become feasible.

    On the other hand, when ‘fourth generation’ nuclear reactors become commercially available, it is technically possible that smaller reactors could be accommodated on the Irish grid. source

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    The Republics population has grown by ~1.2 million people in 20 years to ~5.2 million people. Back in 1979 the population was around 3.3 million. 1990 was ~3.5 million. Based on projections by the last government in project Ireland 2040 there will be an extra 1.1 million on top of todays numbers. When you include Northern Ireland today that's over 7 million people being served by the electrical grid (Eirgrid + SONI). This is what electricity consumption looks like in that time.

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    This is just electricity consumption we're now topping 30 billion kilowatt hours per annum, in addition use primary energy sources for other essential purposes like food, heat and transport. In those graphs, realise the insanity of targeting 1990 carbon emission levels using wind turbines and solar panels, can't get there with that technology. A combination of rising population, spiraling energy prices and infrastructure bottlenecks must lead to rationing and blackouts. In the interim the country needs more gas generation, it needs the LNG terminal, Corrib gas is gone by the end of the decade, leaving only Moffat. Any way you cut it, nuclear, must be put on the table today, first the ghost of Carnsore must be exorcised from the body of Irish politics.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I don't read your absolutely mental waffle responses to posts. It really makes you come across as totally unhinged.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This is actually the case.
    Capatalism doesn’t work if you cut consumption.
    Example:

    DRS actually does nothing for the environment as it just gathers the plastic and sends it off somewhere to get recycled burned/buried.
    Reducing the amount of plastic in use would be a proper green move however that would reduce consumption and reduce tax income for the government and profit for companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    That is your decision. The Greens are an anti-nuclear party, that's one of the key reasons they got started. Petra Kelly was one of the key speakers at the Carnsore event, the Green party in Germany was founded in 1980, in Ireland the Greens started in 1981 and used the template of the German Green party who have become the most successful in Europe.

    This is not 1979s Ireland, it's no longer 1990s Ireland, it's 2024 and many parts of Irelands public infrastructure are bottle-necked with costs rising across the board as a consequence. Unhinged is growing the population and economic output, while at the same time pursing green policies that by design cannot resolve these bottlenecks yet actively seek 1990s levels of emissions, leading ever more complex and expensive workarounds just to keep the lights on.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Serious question @Thelonious Monk do you think we need gas and will need gas going forward to keep the lights on in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Of course we do. But why aren't we getting nuclear now? This thread always said it was the Greens fault.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Nuclear is banned under Irish law.

    So you agree we need gas- do you believe we should be dependent on a non EU country for the gas we need to keep the lights on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Because environmentalists instead of concentrating on doing everything possible to stop climate change are still fighting the antinuclear causes of 80s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So why haven't FFFG changed the law? I don't agree we should be dependent on anyone for power but we are until we sort ourselves out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Abortion used to be illegal, as did divorce because of busy bodies in the 70s. Why do these hippies from back then matter to whether we have nuclear nowadays? I've never heard any TD bring it up. Surely laws can be changed especially now that the greens are gone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    No party in Ireland has ever run with a policy or proposal to bring nuclear to Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Because climate is not a major issue for them? While the people for whom it is a major issue, turned out to be not interested in helping solve climate change and concentrated of stoping roads being built and taxing **** out of electorate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Sourcing power is a major issue is it not? We are reliant on imported power.

    What taxes do you mean, and will they be gone now with the new government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Climate is a major issue and number 5 as I provided above and you ignored

    Investing in public transport is for the good of Ireland, even better it helps the environment

    We have masively invested in a huge road network which hasn't resolved the transport issues and made them worse, for a growing population public transport investment will be the best option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,154 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's complete bollox, you look at Tesla, the most valuable car company ever and not a drop of oil based fuel burned to move them

    Green business can be very profitable if the right people are making the calls. Government policy is much the same, put the right people in to power and green policies can be very successful.

    At the same time, we live in a democracy and if the people want to burn alive we have to accept that is their right!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    What you think moves them? Fairy dust?

    We've had over a month of negligible wind and continuous gloom recently. Did all those Teslas remain at home? Otherwise, Moneypoint 2 and a bunch of peakers were online at various points (so quite a few drops of oil were burned).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    It is not a major issue and you provided number confirming it. 9% is pretty much selfexplanatory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    From the Business Post ESG Briefing — the final paragraph seems to me to give carte blanche for moaning about the Greens in perpetuity. They may be out of power but everything is still their fault. You read it in the Biz Post first!

    Kamikaze politicians

    Good afternoon,

    If there was one big loser from the weekend’s general election, it was the Green Party.

    After 4 and half years in government, the party was nearly wiped out, going from 12 TDs to one. It just so happens the last remaining Green TD is party leader Roderic O’Gorman, and he has a difficult period of rebuilding the party ahead of him. One commentator noted how the Green’s had been described as kamikaze politicians over the last few years, working furiously to get their agenda through, knowing the electoral drubbing that awaited them.

    It’s not the first time the Green Party have been wiped out, as I detailed in this piece over the weekend when the scale of the party’s plight became clear. Eamon Ryan was left with no Dáil seats in 2011, and slowly rebuilt the party until it re-entered government again in 2020.

    The question is whether O’Gorman will be able to do the same now, or if in a world where climate action has become integrated into mainstream politics, whether there is a need for a Green Party at all.

    In Matt Cooper’s post-election analysis, he rightly pointed out that thanks to the Greens, climate action is now part of our own legislation and our EU responsibilities.

    Whatever the shape of the next government, it will have to reckon with climate change, and it will be held responsible for the 2030 climate targets that are fast approaching.

    For some insight into what it was like to actually work behind the scenes with the Green Party during the last government, its worth having a listen to my interview with Paul Kenny, who served as Eamon Ryan’s special advisor.

    His view is that the state’s capacity to tackle climate change, and its statutory responsibility to do so, will be the lasting legacies of the Green Party’s latest and nearly fatal stint in government.

    Thanks for reading,
    Daniel Murray
    Policy Editor



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭riddles


    at the height of the global lock down in Covid the total production of carbon dropped 6% globally. 24% of the world’s power needs was coming from renewables. If that goes to 100% what will the reduction in carbon be? I asked the Green Party at the time and got no reply. I asked the local green.TD again no answer.

    we are no at 30% renewable based energy production and the total carbon output is projected to rise 2.8% which suggests getting renewables on stream needs a lot of carbon.

    The greens got a fake mandate and arrogantly ran with that. A Clean water agenda and a n elimination of crap coming from China combined would have done more for us and for them.



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