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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,938 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    They are different things though — one is long established ghettoised neighbourhoods where asylum seekers have been almost exclusively diverted over the course of decades and the other (Ireland) is asylum seekers being placed wherever around the country they can be placed — in hotels, facilities, factories — over the course of merely less than 3 years.

    But even if we did accept that Sweden and Ireland can be taken as analogous, what tends to gall me is that the Right smugly holds up Sweden as a lesson to the Left, when Sweden also poses lessons for what the Right tends to get wrong about migration.

    You have it from the Swedish right wing horse's mouth in the article I posted yesterday — NIMBYism and failure to integrate. These are also failures of the Right, who glorify the protesting of asylum seekers being placed anywhere. Put them in Dublin — protests are justified. Put them outside Dublin — protests are justified. Have nowhere for them and they just end up in tents on the street? Well, guess what, that's not acceptable to the Right either. No lessons from Sweden as to where that attitude leads?

    Then there's integration. The Right — forever banging on about how migrants need to integrate — often seems to believe that the way to foster integration is to selectively seek out every story possibly retrievable about a migrant doing something or constantly massaging the narrative that migrants are in fact idle, unapproachable, incompatible undesirables whose menfolk simply cannot help themselves from the descent into sexual deviancy if they are around eachother for a while. Where are the positive arguments for how you encourage integration? Where is the Right's positive workable vision for dealing with the reality of the globalised world?

    No, instead, the Right selectively picks the elements relating to Sweden that can be fired at the Left, instead of any form of self-reflection on its own failings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Irish people vote with their pockets ( we are money grubbing divils) so returned FFG as the economy is very strong for enough people

    It will take a bad recession for most to punish the government for their policy re_ immigration, could be two years, could be ten ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Rte radio one .. Nick Henderson was interviewed, one-sided…aren't RTE supposed to give balanced reporting?

    Whats he doing here anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Nick heads out to RTE for a nice foot massage every so often



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's called Project 2029.

    5 more years of parroting Putin's anti-immigration propaganda, and maybe they'll break the 1% mark for support in Ireland.

    In social media posts, online videos and stories on websites, these accounts misstate the impact of immigration, highlight stories about crimes committed by immigrants, and warn of dire consequences if the U.S. doesn’t crack down at its border with Mexico. Many are misleading, filled with cherry-picked data or debunked rumors.

    https://apnews.com/article/russia-election-trump-immigration-disinformation-tiktok-youtube-ce518c6cd101048f896025179ef19997

    That quote refers to anti-immigration efforts in the US but it's quite obvious the same is happening here. Are we looking at 5 more years of 'unvetted males', O Gorman's tweets, 'safe countries', 'welfare tourism' ???



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    So they can benefit from the diversity ah shur it's great so many want to come here .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,301 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    For anybody who thinks AS aren't shopping around:

    image.png

    This person is a bogus AS.

    He is not fleeing persecution, he is fleeing London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭Headshot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    So they get their fake document and get to a nearby country.

    Why do they then pay traffickers more money get through another handful of countries illegally to land on an island on the edge of Europe with completely different cultures and beliefs?

    Is it the weather or something that's worth illegally travelling across the world to get here, that is something that is very difficult to understand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Worth posting these facts again I think. I'm adding some to the list as I go along. I find there's always some new angle used to spread hate against people who seek asylum.

    Lie: Asylum seekers don't work and become welfare dependent.

    Fact: The ESRI reports strong employment uptake by people from the IPA community.

    https://www.esri.ie/system/files/publications/RS160.pdf

    Lie: People coming through 'safe' countries are 'bogus' asylum seekers.

    Fact: IPA's do not have to stay in the first 'safe' country they reach. While many do, it's of course reasonable and legal to travel further, whether for family reasons, job opportunities or long term stability.

    https://fullfact.org/immigration/refugees-first-safe-country/

    Lie: 'Bogus' asylum seekers arrive from 'safe' countries.

    Fact: Countries which are designated safe by the Department of Integration are deemed to be so for the majority of people. People can still seek asylum from these country where individuals or smaller minority groups might still be persecuted.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/what-are-designated-safe-countries-of-origin-in-ireland-what-countries-how-does-it-work-how-many-applicants-6285239-Jan2024/

    Disinformation: Illegal migrants enter the country without documents.

    Fact: It is illegal to entry the country without documents only if the person cannot provide reasonable justification for not having same. Also, those applying for international protection still have a legal right to remain in the state.

    https://www.ihrec.ie/ihrc-welcomes-high-court-judgment-striking-down-provision-of-immigration-legislation/

    https://emn.ie/legislation/civil-law-miscellaneous-provisions-act-2011/

    Lie: 'Bogus' asylum seekers come here with fake documents.

    Fact: According to the UNHCR up to 41% of the worlds refugees have no access to travel documents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Some day, hopefully, people will wake up and realise they're taking us for mugs. Until they do, we may as well bang our heads against the wall because no amount of reasoning will convince them otherwis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I suggest you around there and find out .

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭Quags


    That ESRI report was published in March 2023, 21 months ago. I cant seem to find an updated version.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,694 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    IPAs protesting outside the Dáil

    It's some **** nerve

    Screenshot 2024-12-04 at 17.43.09.png Screenshot 2024-12-04 at 17.43.19.png

    You cannot have a protest without a Gaza flag these days…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭dabbler2004


    Would photos like the one above be enough to dissuade( well make them think twice at least) people from coming here to claim asylum. Or of course the opposite could happen if the protesters get their accommodation and bring more people here to do the same.

    Would a few hastily scribbled cardboard signs work for those Irish citizens who are stuck living in their parent's house and can't afford a place of their own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    3000 IPA's now homeless, living in tents etc. protests as you see above.. but yet they still keep coming despite news feeding back through their smartphones that there's no house waiting for you when you hop over the irish sea to make a claim here… The Govt. and the EU need to look at the draw factor.. why travel to the edge of the E.U. to live in a tent in the cold?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/12/03/number-of-homeless-international-protection-applicants-passes-3000/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,225 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Ok. You've answered a question I asked you earlier in the thread, although not to me. I'd still like to know how those documents were good enough to allow them onto a plane in another country yet not good enough to be produced here? How does that happen please? Is the failure at the source of the flight or here? I doubt that many could leave Dublin airport with false documents. I am genuinely interested in how this happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    You left out your 'factual' link to illiteracy levels. What percentage was it again?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”They”’ aren’t one homogeneous group who all do the same things for the same reason.

    People love to over simplify this issue when it’s incredibly complex.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,266 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Whatever happened to accelerating the processing that McEntee promised to allows for faster decisions, did she say 6 weeks? it was about 18 months before some got a disicion and that would be before appeal after appeal....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    They will be housed because the government don't want the bad publicity.

    That will then only encourage more to come and rinse repeat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It's fairly simple to me, they are paying to be smuggled here for benefits.

    Now can you break it down for someone like me who knows less than you.

    List out the multiple different reasons someone would pay to travel to the furthest country away.

    They are at their point of refuge and at a cheaper rate in a neighbouring country.

    Why would they pay a lot more money and travel though multiple countries to go to a country with different beliefs and cultures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,413 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Why is this not getting coverage in our broadsheets?

    people have been detained in NI trying to get into GB by crossing the border from Ireland in an operation aimed at cracking down on people smugglers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭prunudo


    First time I've seen it reported going this direction. Usually it's about them coming from the UK to get to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What exactly is it you are annoyed is not being reported by Irish 'Broadsheets'?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,413 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    That our entry points are used to facilitate illegal entry to UK. Ireland is a 'back door' route. You'd think that this would be well up the news agenda or if the UK returned them here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭enricoh


    They probably said that in Europe 10 years ago too- how did that turn out? Who pays for the refugee industry here when the corporation tax dries up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It is incredibly complex- no one else in Europe wants them nowadays so they are coming here to one of the last bastions. Denmark had an opt out like Ireland, they used theirs - passport flushers stopped going there.

    We didn't use our opt out , n now we have the unfolding clusterf@#k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What is it exactly that has you annoyed that it was posted here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Who pays?

    Derek Blight I think.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/derek-blighe-fermoy-district-court-6543175-Nov2024/

    Does anyone know yet if he bent the knee and coughed up, or did he stick to his 'principles'?



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