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Irish General Election - Friday, November 29th *Read OP for Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Parties are reluctant because they know no matter what they do in government the public with blame them.

    That has nothing to do with FF or FG, or whatever party is in government. That is to do with the public

    I gave you the example above, plenty plenty more around included on the "Green Policies" thread which was just a bashing of the Green Party. Including the person who was voting for SF to stop the Green party investing in wind, unaware that SF wanted to plough more investment in.

    That has nothing to do with the main parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahaha, you keep believing that, smaller parties know the story now, many respected commentators talk about this, i.e. everyone knows!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    housing completions this year are actually down on last year… Aside from labour issues, where in gods name, do they plan on building an AVERAGE of 50k homes a year… unlike the celtic tiger, they arent building them in the middle of nowhere any more and rightfully so… But honestly, I see them getting to 35k, possibly 40k. But I think 50-60k on average, is fantasy stuff, given they wont do, what would actually be required to build that many units



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Gave you example from right here on boards.

    As i said the electric plants closures was still been fired up here and on the web only a few weeks ago and that was done by FF and FG in the previous government and never had any connection with Greens

    Leave it at that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, demand side stimulation(first time buyers) simply wont work, but will only help to inflate prices, its a capacity constraint, i.e. not enough workers, this approach wont increase output, output will very likely stall at about 35-40k a year for the remainder of the decade, resulting in an even bigger problem heading into the 30's!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Stop parties from blocking projects and we might get something done. How many thousands of houses are still sitting in planning with stupid rejections



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and again, its a capacity constraint, theres simply not enough workers in the sector, and probably wont be for some time, planning protests arent helping, but……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Barry Cowen told people not to vote for Greens in Euros. You miss that? Martin and Harris ganged up on Roderic in the debate.

    What photo? You never answered a question.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You are being deliberately dishonest now. Why? Why do you keep referencing a Greenway?

    Do you know the difference between a Greenway and an Outer Bypass?

    One is for cycling. One is for cars and buses. I want the outer bypass built. Our traffic situation is chronic. We are 25 years in planning with 50 million spent. That's the FFG legacy. Similar to the Children's hospital.

    Greens don't want the Outer City Bypass. So they don't get my vote.

    Does this explain it for you? Your dishonest posting just makes you look even more foolish.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Tippman24


    Ireland holds the EU Presidency in the latter half of 2026. Michael Martin will hand in his papers shortly after that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    You think Barry Cowan was going to tell them to vote for the Green party when he is a FF TD in FF.

    😂

    What photo? 😂

    Like the Green Way you suddenly forgot about that post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Planning is a huge problem because it drives up the cost of each unit. It costs millions for construction companies to apply and get planning, each time it is redone it costs more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    They have but they have always had a smaller party there to the take the damage, it was Labour a few times, the PD's and the Green's twice now I think and each of the cases it was either FF or FG led but what is different now is that it is going to be a joint FFFG led government with more than likely a few independents so for FFFG are totally exposed now, either they deliver in this government or come the next election they won't have a smaller party to blame or hide behind so one of FF or FG will take a hiding. That's why I see it as a win win, the Green's took all the blame in this election and FFFG were barely touched, now we will see what they are made of.

    It's time now for FFFG to deliver on Health, housing and Justice, we can see if they can live up to it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,898 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Don't think planning permission costs a lot. Design, surveying etc cost,but it's a once off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup the whole planning process is a mess to, also leading to a failure in meeting targets going forward, the whole planning process has been a mess for decades, all under ffg governments, so nothing gonna change there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    A minute ago you said it was something else.

    I think I will leave it at that. This is fairly pointless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahaha, jesus, are not able to realise highly complex issues tend to be due to a multitude of problems, and not just one singular issue!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Was talking to a builder once and he said the planning was costing 1m to submit, that was only one phase of the project. They didn't break it down between all the costs but they did expect as soon as it was submitted it would be rejected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I dont think the biggest problem is workers, to address that, you could put a halt to new commercial development and data centers etc possibly. Ive read articles by builders in the irish times, the lack of water and energy infrastructure is a massive problem, densities need to increase. The planning system is a major problem…

    The lack of tax on vacant sites or those with PP is another joke… I think to deliver the numbers they are talking about and that are needed, you'd need the likes of the LDA but with plans for several massive schemes on massive sites, all over Dublin…

    possible relocation of dublin port… or at least land reclamation…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    completely agree, but again, very little if any of that is actually gonna happen, so….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep and they have no excuses now. They used the Covid excuse for a few things but they were lucky there was no Covid inquiry to discuss before the election because I thought they were extremely weak during Covid across a range of issues.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,962 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what do you think they were weak on, as i thought they done pretty well during it, certainly compared to our nearest neighbors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I see in the Indo that Harris has appointed McEntee to lead the negotiations with FF.

    Oh dear! Even Paschal backing her up won't help there. Hopefully she gets relegated to something where she can do no more damage though, unlikely as that is - deputy leader AND a woman = untouchable in this era of gender quotas and "equality".

    The fact she's completely incompetent and has been a disaster in Justice is besides the point I guess!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Signs on COVID was not an issue in the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,197 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    McDonald is gas, she spent the last month shouting about getting FFG out and now she is whinging FF won't talk to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Delegated too much to NPHET and then disappeared. Gave Houlihan the celebrity status he craved. Communication chaos. They were dubbed the coalition of chaos for ages. Undermined each other. Leo leaking. Meaningful Christmas. Project fear every night on News and TV. People turned off. They agreed to silly rules that were ignored e.g. 5km, meal with pint. Flip flops on antigen tests. Procuring rubbish medical stuff from China. Ventilators that were not fit for purpose. Golfgate. Main reason our lockdowns were so long was the lack of capacity in our health service. We have highest bed occupancy rate in EU for many years. Nursing homes abandoned at first. The inquiry itself is a cop out.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭acequion


    Very good points there. But it's 4 years ago now and the Irish have very short memories. In fairness I suppose some pretty monumental things have happened in the meantime to make Covid seem a distant memory. Russia /Ukraine, a virtual explosion in immigration numbers, cost of living gone awol, Tories gone, Trump back etc etc. But I agree that FFG were very weak during the pandemic and it was barely alluded to during the campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Compared to the British, the Spanish, the Italians and the Aussies, we got away lightly during the pandemic. We never had a limit on the duration of outdoor exercise, never mind a ban on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Shutting everything down at massive financial and human cost , was the easy political decision. The only one they would ever take here...

    Massive human cost to some obviously, there has to be winners and losers...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Short memory, there most definitely was a limit on the duration. In the early days I remember Varadkar talking about it. Now like everything it was vague, and no basis in law, but we were told to keep it brief.

    To take brief individual physical exercise within your locality, which may include children from the household (e.g for a run or walk with/without dog) within 2km of the home (i.e within half an hour from the home) adhering to strict 2 metre social distancing measures

    https://www.thejournal.ie/clarification-on-coronavirus-measures-ireland-5060744-Mar2020/



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