Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Where did I say he didn't say NATO?

Another for the ignore list.

Zelenskyy has changed his opinion from taking everything back to admitting that some land will have to be given up.

Sounds like you've been listening to the Kremlin's interpretation of what he said, rather than listening to Zelenskyy himself. He has not, absolutely not, said that Urkaine will give up "some land" ; rather he has said that "taking everything back" by military means is not likely to be achievable at an acceptable cost, so the stolen territories will have to be reclaimed by other (slower, political, diplomatic) processes.

No matter how you spin it, he committed treason. The moment he betrayed Ukraine he was no longer their legal president. Regardless of whether he was controlled by Moscow or simply took their side against the wish of the Ukrainian people it comes to the same thing; treason. So they bounced his roundy ass down the road to Moscow.

it doesnt match with Kremlin history, right?

Ruzzian social media is stuffed with complaints by wives and mothers about their conscripted sons and husbands, not to mention leaks from the front lines about the dreadful conditions, the poor medical care and the high death rate. Telegram is awash with tales of fear and loathing from the cauldron in Ukraine. There have even been protests in the Republics about the conscription. Professional soldiers? Yeah, right.

Another one who loves shouting down others for responding with 'one liners', providing no sources/ evidence, and clearly letting on that they know more than they possibly could (i.e. spoofing), who then turns around immediately and, well…

I enjoy reading informed 'against the motion' posts on this thread. It's frustrating when some posters go out of their way to find offence in posts that don't toe the Ukraine is Mighty line, but so often posters that I thought would provide a good challenge to the party line quickly turn into angry hypocrites.

Do you want to expand on your concept of 'losing'? Presumably you place no stock in the idea that Ukraine is slowly bleeding Russia dry, both in terms of military hardware, personnel as well as - with Western help - economically. Ukraine isn't going anywhere. The question really is how much longer can Russia afford to go nowhere abroad very, very slowly.

Tying myself in knots? Huh??

You said Zelenskyy had changed his opinion and is now ready to give up "some land". No additional context.

I pointed out the additional context, i.e. that (a) this truncated version of what he said is Kremlin spin, a well-known tactic; and (b) the rest of Zelenskyy's comment is on the record, i.e. that Ukraine will seek to restore its full territorial integrity after any military ceasefire and whatever temporary arrangement is necessary to achieve this.

What's knotty about that?

Trump has a four year old brain. He won't do anything if he doesn't get sweets for doing it.

All that foreign politics stuff is way above his head. And Putin knows it. In fact counting on it.

Wild hyperbole. A president or political party reneging on the mandate on which they were elected is commonplace in every democracy. It isn't treason.

and rightfully so

Pro-orc factions never stop pushing the musovite narratives.