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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Breezer


    That’s an interesting one. There is precedent to an extent AFAIK: Cyprus as a whole is a member of the European Union, but the northern part of de jure Cyprus is administered de facto by the internationally unrecognised Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which is obviously not part of the EU. It would be interesting to see how this might work in a NATO context.

    Then you’d presumably have to enter diplomatically into a Northern Ireland-type situation where people in occupied Ukraine can be citizens of Ukraine or Russia or both. Does anyone actually trust Russia to negotiate and respect a Good Friday-style agreement?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,901 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    where is this being published? Nothing online that I can find



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,635 ✭✭✭Field east


    I wonder if ‘ this initiative’ by Turkey, et al , was because it was something in their mind to do all along but they WAITED FOR AN OPPERTUNE MOMENT as to when to strike. Was now a good time when the main protagonist in the Syrian war is Russia and Russia’s forces/artilary is in a weak state and getting weaker. I wonder will some of the republics within the Russian Federation ‘ JOIN IN’?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    "Let's concentrate on knocking the hohol out from under Kursk. What do we care about the Arabs who don't want to defend themselves? We have enough problems of our own."

    Reading translations on Russian telegrams have been fun today. They also claim Aleppo was really an Iranian city and not held by many Russians. While Russia didn't have many boots on the ground they provided the Iranian backed Assad machine with massive aerial superiority.

    That superiority has now crumbled because they're all in on Ukraine. In the last few years the Turk's trained and armed the rebels to an extremely high standard where they incorporate drone warfare to their attacks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Very late, but this must be the Post of the Year. Kudos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Probably no more shocking than the Allied championing of Stalin's USSR in it's battle against Nazi Germany. The Allies-well, the less delusional ones-knew that only a matter of degree differentiated one from another in evil, but they held their tongues and their noses and supported the Soviets because there was no alternative. If IS cut some Ruzzians to shreds, I'll shed no tears and keep my fingers crossed that another party will shortly cut those IS lunatics to shreds in their turn. Nothing as enjoyable as seeing the wolves devour each other.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Make no mistake Putin will be smiling tonight. His man Trump must have put the pressure on Zelensky to fold and give up land. Absolutely devastating that this is even on the table.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    There was natural hope and optimism by the public who genuinely support Ukraine. If Ukraine are getting better weapons - then those weapons are better for their defence.

    I don't accept that the people who strongly advocated for no negotiations and to instead send weapons genuinely support Ukraine. There is justification for such a policy if Ukraine can militarily win a significantly better outcome than they could achieve by negotiation. Otherwise sending weapons just expands the conflict, lengthens the conflict and increases the costs (to Ukraine) of the conflict. But it doesn't change the outcome. It just makes it worse for Ukraine ultimately.

    I could credit people who genuinely support Ukraine as being mistaken in the honest belief that NATO howitzers, HIMARs, NATO vehicles and tanks, NATO jets, NATO missiles etc would provide that war winning capability. That was shown to be wrong, and it might lead to them to re-assess if they should keep doing what hasn't worked. But people who pushed for no negotiations, who hyped up NATO weapons as being gamechangers and now say that they always knew the policy of sending these wunderwaffen would not change the outcome of the conflict can't also claim to genuinely support Ukraine. Because the policy they advocated for was so clearly not in Ukraine's interests. Sen. Lindsey Graham is a prime example.

    I remember back in 2022 "friends of Ukraine" were boasting they were going to turn Ukraine into Afghanistan. Well, it is getting there. Ukrainian power generation is hanging by a thread, and one presumes its just a matter of time before the Russians decide to knock off the electricity supply for good.

    The Economist is a fanatically pro-Ukrainian publication, but it has recently estimated that at least 500,000 Ukrainian soldiers are either dead or so seriously wounded as to be incapable. While far higher than the official Ukrainian figure of 31,000 dead it's almost certainly still a significant undercount as polling shows 77% of Ukrainians know someone close to them who has died in the conflict. The average life expectancy of Ukrainian men has dropped from 66.4 years pre 2022 to 57.3 in 2023. Last year, it was reported that the number of Ukrainians with disabilities had jumped in just 18 months by 300,000 people.

    Demographically, Ukraine is in a death spiral - the birth rate has dropped as low at 0.7 per woman, which if accurate would be the lowest in the world. This is on top of a mass exodus of millions of young Ukrainians who will likely never return from western Europe and will presumably over the generations become German or French or English. Ukraine was already demographically in crisis before the war, and yet the "friends of Ukraine" now demand that Ukraine send its last hope of survival as a people in their own lands - the 18-25 age group - to be wiped out in an unwinnable war, where the longer it goes on, the harsher the Russian terms become.

    This is why I refer to the "friends of Ukraine" as the "friends of Ukraine". They'd rather see the extinction of Ukraine than concede to Ukraine not entering NATO. So they'll knowingly advocate for policies that cant change the outcome but keep the Ukrainians fighting just a little bit longer. To the last Ukrainian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Sand go away would you. If weapons weren't sent to Ukraine Russia would currently control all of it, many more Ukrainian soldiers dead and cities destroyed. You're fooling nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    The bus has arrived back in Orwell Rd after bringing everyone out to vote for Sinn Fein to their respective polling stations..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Well, they're already celebrating Azov and variety of other 1930s-1940s historical re-enactor groups serving in the Ukrainian military. I'll always pinch myself when I remember the Canadian parliament giving a standing ovation to a veteran of the SS Division Galicia, and all the US and western European politicians chanting 1930-40s ethnic nationalist slogans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,841 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Can you give any evidence for your claim that Zelensky wants to fold and give up land? The article linked above simply says NATO membership and recovering their occupied territories at a later date could be part of a cease fire for Ukraine but you seem to be twisting this into some sort of game where Zelensky is the one to "blink first". Is this just another example of a putin fan boy simply lying because in reality so much is going wrong for putin and his terrorist state?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    "We had to destroy Ukraine in order to save it"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Somewhere out there is an alternate universe where the Allies chose to not help the Soviets and we were spared from blyatgpt output 80 years later



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,901 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I’m not sure that alternate would have been pleasant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Ye must be getting desperate, trotting out Azov again after abandoning that tactic after two years of 'satanists, biolabs, puppets, anti-religion, zionists' and what have you from the mouldy grab-bag of putinist bogey-men. Weren't ye telling us that Azov were annihilated at Mariupol? And what was left were going to be tried for war crimes but, oddly enough, that didn't happen. It seems this phantom menace can be resurrected as required by the Vatnik…but brandishing it is looking increasingly threadbare.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    I'm actually paraphrasing a US journalist quotation of an unnamed US officer during the Vietnam war. You're just spreading disinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Meanwhile in reality Canada welcomes in ethnic minorities and different minorities in their droves to Canada. Meanwhile Canada isn't participating in ethnic cleansing like your beloved RAA SEEEEE YAAA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,550 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The ideal alternative would have been after defeating the NAZIS and Japan forcing Russia out of eastern Europe and back to it's borders. Would have saved eastern Europe from decades of Russian brutality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,795 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Churchill wanted to do that. Look uo operation "Unthinkable"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,848 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Who folded? Did you even bother to read what was said?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You've actively pretended Russia have not committed genocide in Ukraine. You are the biggest spreader of disinformation in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Reports low of Russian transport planes on the way to Syria bringing FAB bombs to assist in a bombing campaign. If they press ahead with this, they might ease off in Ukraine for a little while.

    Does anyone find it suspicious that straight after Israel and Hezbollah agree a ceasefire this happens. Hezbollah we're getting wrecked ever since the pagers went off and Israel invaded. Why would they agree to a ceasefire and letting the Lebanese army replace them at the border? Why would they give up on their brother's in Gaza?

    Maybe they caught wind of a potential massive attack in Syria and felt they couldn't support both.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,230 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ukraine needs to hang in there for Trump, he'll sort Putin out, 100%



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