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Why do companies want to return to the office?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Like RedXIV example I've worked in lots of tech places (including some of the big multi nationals) that do a lot of statistical work lots of complex data collected, then extensive analytics. But none had anything on productivity. Closest you'd get is ticketing system, or code repository. Which is a flawed metric. Was never used for that anyway.

    It's well known, widely reported that the twitters or Amazon's of this world, haven't referenced any productivity metrics when doing mass firing or RTO mandate's. They've just slashed and burned and actually got rid of the wrong people having to hire them back.

    What you're suggesting just isn't credible in the face all evidence to the contrary.

    Besides why would spend any time or resources on it. They don't have to. Not for RTO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭skallywag


    I really appreciate being able to work from home 2-3 days a week.

    I am really starting to fear though that those whinging about going in 1 day a week are going to ruin that for me.

    'Absolutely dreading' going in to the office one day a week? Are you serious ? ……………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    there’s the minority who’ll ruin it for everyone. School I drop kids off to in scd has a coffee hut across the road. You’ll see the same group of about 10-15 parents there every morning chatting for about 30 min while having their coffee. All “working from home” after dropping kids off to school then hanging around chatting and having coffee for 30 min



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,716 ✭✭✭Trampas


    I assume you’ve asked the all to make sure they’re all working from home at that time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Summer2020


    I know they all wfh if that’s what you’re asking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,957 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I work from home. Doesn't mean I need to be working at 09:30 every day though. We have flexi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    Agreed, non productive employees WFH ruin it for everyone else and then companies have to enforce coming to the office. The non productive employee will still probably be as unproductive in the office but companies feel they can at least keep an eye on them rather than having them doing jobs around the house on company time. It will be interesting to see what 2025 brings in terms of the jobs market. If there is downturn Id imagine companies will try and enforce full time office but if there are lots of jobs hybrid roles will still be on offer.



  • Posts: 697 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It depends on what area you work in. In my job (sales) you simply cannot be unproductive - there are targets to be met, SLAs, KPIs, deadlines etc. Reports are constantly on the go. If you get a bit of downtime to go on Netflix, it's simply because there isn't anything to do - and that's virtually never. In fact, working from home is when we are most productive, because there are more unavoidable distractions in the office. We have to go in two days a week, which I like because it's good to get out and to see your colleagues in person, but I wouldn't like any more than that. There is no need for it. And there are always IT issues in the office.

    It's ignorant to assume people want to work from home just so they can doss. How many employees are really able to do that anyway? Usually in a job, you have to have evidence of work done. Especially nowadays - we're not in the Celtic tiger/boom anymore, Toto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 221 ✭✭HurlingBoy


    There are huge variations across companies in terms of reporting, KPIs etc and monitoring productivity. Companies that struggle with this and do not have proper review processes are not willing to trust employees wfh. The lazy worker in the office will be the lazy worker at home. The strong worker will can be trusted to work from anywhere. However if everyone is in the office at least you know the lazy worker is not doing house work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,929 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do find all this very interesting, because I made all my office staff fully remote a few years back. There are issues with workers from time to time, but that was always the case anyway. The main draw for me was getting out of leases, but it works fine anyway. Our level of absenteeism is a fair bit lower nowadays than it would have been in 2019 or before that.

    I wonder about these very big companies that want people in offices. It might be that they want to prioritise having younger, potentially more energetic, staff, who wouldn't be as likely to leave over a long commute than a mother of three small kids would be. Maybe they don't value experience as much, obviously the older you get the less doable a commute is as you have schools, childminders etc to consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    ...I bet they're wondering why some random person is sitting in a car watching them for 30 mins every school morning…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41530343.html

    Another reason for employers to be concerned about working from home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Do you know what their work schedule is.

    I log in at 10 from home and stay later for calls as I work with Americans.

    When I go to the office I start at 9 and I can't take those evening calls as I am heading home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There have been previous cases where people have taken photos or notes from their work computer while in the office.

    I quess they should be concerned about people working in offices also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Been work from anywhere for about 7 years at least in this job . And even before that about 4 years.

    So yeah about 11 years total experience WFH , you don't have a clue lots of people out there like me too and always have been actually.. Even my in laws were often remote working and work from home decades ago with some days in the office

    Difference now is that many don't go into the office at all or once a year or whatever. By the way like other posters I still have a desk sitting there in an office I never go to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭blue_blue


    You're clearly missing the point. Of course employees in office can take pics also but it's the fact that her boyfriend and someone else also took pics and used the info maliciously is one new risk of wfh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A new risk? I didn't realise there's never been a data breach or fraud before WFH.



  • Posts: 697 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But as that poster said: the new risk is others in the home being privy to information that wouldn't be available had she been based in the office.

    I'm in favour of wfh but while obviously most people aren't criminals/idiots, anyone who is, is in an even better position to get up to something nefarious alone in their home rather than in an open-plan office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,584 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    A private sector organisation is all about making money for the owner/shareholder.

    The very topic is about the rationale as to why some organisations are requesting their employees to return to the office (whether it be 1 day or a week or 5 days a week) is because that organision, for one reason or another, has determined that they will ultimately make money in doing so.

    Why this is the case can be for any number of reasons.

    While I appreciate that people can also do jack sh1t while in the office, I do beleive the behaviour of some employees who have WFH has tarnished significantly those who have performed well from WFH and again, in many companies instead of dealing with the actual problem (people) every one gets punished (return to office)

    There seem to be plenty companies out there now that are entirely WFH or very flexible, I suggest as with any other work Term or Condition if the lack of flexibility is an issue, the employee should look elsewhere. If enough people do this in the company it will effect the companies bottom line or maybe it wont, but either way the company gets people who don't mind being in the office and the person who doesn't want to be in the office ends up happier in another role.

    Personally, I think any role that doesn't need to be fully in person, should be blended, with fairly strict terms and conditions associated with remote work - but lots of Orgs aren't setup for that culturally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You're missing the point. People HAVE done the same thing in open plan offices. Copy the information and bring it home. It's as old as the hills.

    No one's watching over everyone's shoulder 100% of the time in an open plan office. It's a complete myth.

    They get tracked on the system. Thats is how they get caught. They leave a massive digital fingerprint. Same if they are in the office or remote. Makes no difference.

    That anything thinks it's easier, more secure to watch people using computers, than actually digitally tracking them, it's ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Think about it. Why are they bringing the people who they "know" do nothing back to the office. It's hardly going to make them more money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    If they are taking advantage of wfh then the issue is with the gobshi*e managers who are not giving their staff enough work and not with the staff wfh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    I work from home, does that make me lazy? Care to elaborate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I think it's fair to say that generally working from home is not as productive, not as good for businesses, and not good for active lifestyles or mental well being.

    Now you may be that amazing individual who has a dependable work ethic, a great sense of pride in your personal performance, getting up at 6am for a run and hitting the gym at 7pm, and meeting your friends and socialising in the evening. That is possible. If so you are a very small minority. And it doesn't mean you are so special that you get to decide how the entire company operates.

    To be very honest, I highly doubt that kind of get up and go, self motivated individual would be complaining or campaigning to say at home all day and work from there. Again it's possible, but highly highly unlikely that kind of person would be p*ssing and moaning about having to go to work.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,695 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Nothing says self motivated or productive than wanting to sit in traffic or on a bus for 10+ hours a week doing absolutely nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,432 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And people working in the office have lost sensitive information, or someone in their house could have eyeballed it… because they printed out stuff or copied stuff to disk\USB so they could work on it from home. If fully working at home, they wouldn't have needed to do that.

    There's risks everywhere, and the 'old' world had its risks too.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,209 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    again, this thread was started by an OP who was raging at having to commute one day per week.

    Very few posters here have been forced back in five days per week.

    You’d swear grumpy lads moaning about work was only invented in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,052 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    @kowloonkev I don't think it is fair to say. The company I was working for had to switch to work from home when CoViD happened. The project had a team of approx. 20 and was delivered ahead of schedule and higher quality when compared to similar projects before work from home.

    I saved an hour and a half to two hours commute each day which I was able to use working in the garden, bringing the dog for a local walk and when restrictions eased, get to the nearest beach.

    Similary in the role I'm in now, I could work when I had CoViD rather than take the best part of two weeks sick leave. I can complete some tasks much quicker than if limited to 9 to 5 - in a day rather than days. I can support out of hours requests far more easily.

    For me and teams I've worked on, work from home has improved both quality of life and quality of work.

    A well run company will be a well run company, a badly run company will be a badly run company. For a well run company work from home gives access to a much wider pool of potental empoyees to find the best for a particular role.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Better than getting up at 8:55 and spending the first hour and a half of "work" waking up. There will always be a reason with some people to do less and find ways to make their own lives easier. These are the people who will never be making these decisions.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



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