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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Reminder why Ukraine needs enough support to create a stalemate. You'd much rather they are halted and completely ruin one city rather than progress slowly and destroy multiple. It's interesting how they have held Toretsk and Chasiv Yar for a while now. Povtrosk is holding pretty well too. Vuhledar was lost because it got flanked. Vovchansk held after being attacked head on. I believe the old style Bakhmut approach isn't working too well anymore for Russia. Hence why they're fighting smarter now and attacking the flanks. We see this with Povtrosk and Vuhledar. They're trying it with Chasiv Yar also.

    Vovchansk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Wow that’s grim alright.


    We don’t really hear of the actual details of the war but just the general news.


    There will be movies and books written for years when the war ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,573 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Maybe on the books and maybe on the films.

    In the western world now there's Russian money and influence everywhere. Doctor Zhivago was just barely lucky to be wrote and made into a film in the west and this in a time of the USSR cut off from the west.

    The Kremlin does what the Kremlin does to stop any films being made what they term as undesireable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Ukraine the Latest podcast goes into quite a bit detail almost every day

    Highly recommended listening to the pod, actually has details and interesting interviews every day

    Unlike the BBC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭Suckler


    In the western world now there's Russian money and influence everywhere.

    Look no further than London and Dubai.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    South Korea has declared martial law



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I think you over-estimate Russian influence in today's world. They're not the USSR and while, certainly, there's Russian money all over the place, there's hundreds of millions to be made out of the Ukrainian "Apocalypse Now" or "Enemy at the Gate" and Hollywood types will be absolutely falling over themselves to get to play Zelenskyy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Dubai is not “the west” tho (they literally have slavery there)

    His statement is wrong out of the gate

    London used to be russia friendly but they are actually one of the countries to have clamped down the hardest on Russians and have tightest most expansive sanctions

    Even Cyprus this week has removed passports form hundreds of Russians who they naturalised including that oligarch Deripaska



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,881 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Hmm. Trump Tower in 2016? Mar-a-lago documents. They just need to be able to push the US President around and that's all the influence they'd need. Never did get to the bottom of the Mueller report, and we won't now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭yagan


    There's no doubt that Russia has been meddling in western countries, but often it's with players that do it for their own narrow ends. Orban is a classic example as he was involved in anti Soviet activities as a young man but later aligned with Putin because his Hungarian revanchism aligned with Russian revanchism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    David Sachs live on Newstalk talking absolute Pony. Our Orwell Rd friends are all listening in taking notes I'm sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Oops, there goes another Russian export …

    India has sharply reduced orders for defense equipment with Russia and is now buying more from Western suppliers, officials said, a significant policy shift for a nation traditionally reliant on arms from Moscow …

    Russian-made weapons are often cheaper than Western ones. But they need frequent repairs, which affects their desirability and makes them costlier in the long run …

    The war in Ukraine has accelerated India’s reduction in buying Russian weapons. A delay in supplying anti-missile shields is proof of Russia’s strained capacity …

    Remind me again: what does the I in BRICS stand for? The guys Russia is counting on to create a new economic order and save them from themselves? Who'd have thought it'd be a good idea to demonstrate in real time how crap your weaponry is against a real army, and how absolutely shïte your supply chains are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,626 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Lets just hope the equipment they're replacing isn't returned to Russia… even **** tanks can still kill people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Why are they interviewing him?


    He has been listed by America as being a paid Russian shill.

    Very disappointing from Newstalk giving him airtime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭rogber


    I hope Ukraine can hold it but once again marvel at how despite being told again and again Russian can't keep up the meat grinder tactics, they just keep doing it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,932 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It’s about time India got with the program. India buying Russian kit is a bit of a legacy from the Cold War days when they would buy Soviet kit to counter the US-built kit that Pakistan were using.

    Fast forward to now, and you’ve got a Russia that likely struggles to deliver anything and an India who might be looking at a new border war with China. They can’t afford to muck about and wait for Russia to get its act together, so I’m guessing this is why they’re buying American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It takes a certain kind of selective perception to accuse Russian of meddling and disinformation and completely ignore western NGOs messing left right and center in Ukraine, Georgia, basically everywhere. Ffs US politicians actively rallied on Maidan and your one, the evil witch of the state department, basically determined in a phone call who was going to be next president of the Ukraine. And then cry wolf on top of it all when some of those countries bring about legislation where western involvement in political organisations need to be declared, made transparent, calling them 'agent laws', when all the while such laws exist in the same western countries like forever.

    I can only call that either being completely blinkered or obtuse, down some very deep rabbit hole, or trying to create deliberate obfuscation. Do you even realise how obviously two faced all of this is at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Speaking of two faces, what’s this on the national crest above Putin’s head

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Do you?

    Posting from some deep rabbit hole? You mean the deep rabbit hole where you get phrases such as "evil witch of the state department"?

    The only posts you are describing are your own.

    Russia meddled in Ukraine, in violation of Budapest Agreement, putting economic pressure on its President not to sign an EU trade and association treaty. An EU agreement Ukraine as a sovereign country is fully entitled to sign, as per every previous treaty and agreement Russia signed. The President of Ukraine was elected on a mandate to sign that treaty, it was the democratic will of the people of Ukraine. The democratic will that led to mass civilian protests in Ukraine, and a President that was legitimately deposed following the use of security forces (an act of tyranny) to attack those protests.

    You have never criticised Russia for any of that, proof positive your posts show nothing but contempt for democratic freedoms and the will of the people of Ukraine.

    Yes, US politicians rallied in support of democratic freedoms. The helped to broker the deal to get Ukraine out of the mess caused entirely by Russian interference, corruption and attempts to thwart democratic freedom in Ukraine.

    The "deliberate obfuscation" comes from you, attempting to put US support for democratic freedoms and free+fair elections, and Russia attempts to undermine free and fair elections in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova… with bribery, corruption, ballot stuffing.
    These are the actions of Russia you are defending in Georgia.

    In a statement following passage of the motion, the Parliament said Georgia’s voting process had been “neither free nor fair,” after international election observers expressed concern over pressure on citizens and allegations of vote buying and ballot stuffing.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/georgia-election-was-not-fair-must-be-re-run-european-parliament-statement-membership-candidacy-eu/

    Your posts are just exercises in defence of a dictatorship actively undermining democratic freedoms in their neighbours.

    Why do you oppose free and fair elections?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I dont know, I mention the Houthi's by way of they being the latest in a long line of "Volunteers" willing to figh (and die) for Putin. We will find out soon, I imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,337 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    I read earlier (much earlier) that they - the Indians, and others - never received a lot of what they'd ordered in recent years, as it much of it was advance orders, and the material was subsequently diverted to Ukraine. I'm fairly sure Oryx had a subset of "models for export" on the list of stuff that had been captured and/or destroyed.

    In any case, I would imagine India would get a better price for anything they want to dispose of by selling it to other users of the same material, who are also experiencing unkept Russian promises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    First of all, I guess, Putin is just an ex-KGB thug, who has sururrounded himself with similar. The one common denominator was that they were all YES men. In a society saturated with corruption, the most competent man /woman for the job were not necessarily selected. (selection criteria been based more on theft capabilities) The system simply doesn't exist in today's Russia to even begin to produce what you have described. In WW2, Stalin, with all the resources of the USSR at his disposal, would still have lost the war because his production facilities were not up to the job, and supply by the UK and the US were what saved the day. With manpower, it was a different story in WW2. He could have and did many times order frontal assaults against German pre-prepared positions, Imagine German designed machineguns….and the havoc they could and did cause? Putin doesn't have the human resources or even a fraction of them that Stalin had. So now all he wants is replacement's in any condition. Putin is racing against the clock….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I wont even bother, you're like a one man propaganda - erm strategic communication - army on all topics high and mighty and I completely see through your tactics. You put out so much piffle disguised as assertions with authority that no one who spends less than 12 hours a day with you could argue with you. When challenged you suffocate people with references which half the time dont even support your argument but you make people having to check them and find a counter reference . You 'win' every argument by sheer volume of nonsense, by just beating people into submission sort of, but really there is almost no substance behind all your stuff and any sane person just couldnt be bothered. And neither am I. I find you very tiresome but of course you win. As always.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


     Ffs US politicians actively rallied on Maidan and your one, the evil witch of the state department, basically determined in a phone call who was going to be next president of the Ukraine

    Yeah man, and they used the Ukrainian Presidential election as a trial run for how to rig a massive presidential election that they then put into effect in 2020 for Biden. It's all coming together now. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: @CalamariFritti and @odyssey06, the two of you are engaging in borderline uncivil bickering. Please move on.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes, extremely.

    The Ukrainian people chose the next president of Ukraine following the perfectly constitutional removal of the previous one by the Parliament (and the coward fled to his beloved Russia).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    You absolutely know that neither of that is true. You cannot not know.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,176 ✭✭✭jmreire


    First things first, get Putin sorted, as a priority, then Ukraine will have the luxury of planning their future.



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