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Irish General Election - Friday, November 29th *Read OP for Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    and 500,000 Irish adults living in their family home. To say immigration, either legal or illegal has no impact on housing is either being disingenuous or niave.

    Eitherway, the current policy will contuine, the various crisis will contuine and nothing is getting better anytime soon. But then, given the lack of vote for anti establishment candidates, it seems a majority of the electorate are happy with the status quo, both in government and on the opposition benches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,430 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    How do you know if he was even a candidate this time, or even a Party member?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Ok, let's go back to this and the rationale. You can take a cash payment and get one hundred percent of the pay or at thr marginal rate, the government get half of your pay. What would you do ? Spend it on yurself, kids or hand it to the government to waste?

    Post edited by Idbatterim on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,899 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Didn't say it didn't have an effect,it obviously does. IPA's aren't the issues though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    So to just house that we are looking at 50k houses a year before any domestic demand or pent up demand.

    We have an ultra free market approach to migration, Thatcherism on speed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,430 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The only way mass migration from Africa, the Middle East and Asia is stymied, is with a pan-European approach.

    Ireland should have no qualms in taking the lead on this, with a practical and pragmatic approach. Europe has been taken for a lend by far too many interests beyond its shores, and its time to raise the drawbridge, invest in ourselves and in full economic and energy independence from China and the US and BRICS. We have the resources and the capital. Lets make it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,030 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Never going to happen

    Greens didn't get a go at Taoiseach and they had 12 seats

    Labour don't want to be in government anyway so it won't come up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I don't. People will look at who he was associated with and the establishment doesn't want that bad PR. He may have only left the party over this incident. Time will tell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Kiteview


    As circa 90% of our (non-Ukrainian) applicants for asylum are estimated to arrive via NI, such an approach would have little impact here. The U.K. won’t be part of any EU decision on the topic and the EU countries will discuss it inside the EU, not outside it to facilitate Brexit Britain.

    The obvious solution to the problem is to either put international frontier style border controls in place with NI or else persuade the U.K. to do so between NI and GB as part of an all-island basis.


    Both options would involve making tough decisions and would cause mass whinging, so the politicians won’t do so unless forced - and the status quo will prevail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭ooter


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-eamon-ryan-leo-varadkar-opens-door-to-green-leader-taking-top-job-if-coalition-parties-are-re-elected/a935608551.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Labour don't want to be in government anyway so it won't come up

    Starting to look that way. Or at least that there is a sufficient cohort strongly opposed that would make it very difficult for the party as a whole to move.

    I wonder is this business of insisting they go in together with the Soc Dems a way of ensuring the cup passes? Surely they can't think that's a runner with FFG on the cusp of a majority?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Labour would be mental to go in.the greens only have one seat right ? Send in an independent or two, that are dead certs for election every time...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    The government does however by virtue of legislation and policy have a very substantial impact on the housing market and availability.
    The REITS crowd for example are banned from bulk purchases in places like Germany, not here though.
    Does the government need to be handing out tens of thousands of 'student visas' to visa mills, sorry 'English language schools' so that landlords can charge 5 grand a month to cram 20 Brazilians into a 3 bed semi-d? Do we really need that many Deliveroo drivers and baristas for Starbucks? The number of low quality visa’s approved needs to be looked at in general.
    Before they lost their minds and ended up with the same or worse housing crisis as we have, both Canada and New Zealand both banned non-nationals from purchasing residential properties due to the fact that Chinese hot money was buying up vast amount of investment property in the countries. Perhaps this kind of behaviour should be banned here?
    Then of course you have the fact that throughout the 90’s you heard nothing from the government but, home ownership is too high here, we should move to a more ‘European model’ of renting for life.. well they got that policy thoroughly implemented, and it hasn’t worked out well for us. Nor has the very deliberate withdrawal of the state from the provision of social housing in favour of ‘letting the market provide instead and we’ll just write a HAP cheque.
    So frankly, to suggest that the government has no control regards the availability of housing is just nonsense. We have a government that simply doesn’t want to do anything about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    There is no need for any party to be duped by FF and FG into taking the blame for them at the next election. They should hold firm and build up a strong opposition while FF and FG struggle to convince themselves, let alone the rest of us, that they really are any different from each other.

    There's plenty of gene pool indies happy to sell their votes for some local investment, the kind of wheeling and dealing FF and FG do so well.

    I'd actually be quite happy about the prospect of a FF/FG/Indie government because it will surely lead to at least one of them taking a battering the next time around. Or they actually get their **** together and run the country better, though my money is on the former.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Yes that seems to be the thinking of any Labour supporter i've talked to

    Thing is you only get so many chances to get your policies fulfilled

    Can't do that from opposition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Only if the opposition gives a credible alternative. I believe that is why the current government were largely returned. Not because people are overly happy with them, although obviously some people are, but there is a lack of a coherent alternative.

    SF was never going to get enough, even why they were polling high 18 months ago. So voting for them was a shot in the dark as you had no idea who was going to make up the government. With FFG you had a pretty good idea. Whatever option FFG go for to get over the line, Labour, SD, Indies, the main policies will be FFG.

    So without some form of coalescence over the life time of this government then the very real possibility will be that FFG will be returned again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,899 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Is it obligatory to get hoisted above the shoulders now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭littlefeet


    Would banning REITS and foreign based buyer produce more construction worker decreased land price or land hoarding decrease the cost of construction or decrease the cost of build materials.

    Have those measures solved the housing issues in Canada or New Zealand make home ownership more affordable for young people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That's the way I see it, it is a win win, the get their act together and sort the problems that they have caused out or else they take the blame at the next election as they will have no one else to blame but themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,059 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Banning REITS and foreign investors would make properties available to Irish people to enter the property market rather than getting scooped up by predatory investors, everything else you mention has nothing to do with that, but if the government want to put a punitative tax on land hoarding or address vat rates on building materials, address construction costs etc those are options they are free to explore.

    As for the New Zealand and Canada, they revoked those laws years ago… then their housing crisis got exponentially worse, so yes, restricting foreign buyers from the market did work. You know what didn't work? Trudeau's government announcing an aggressive plan to take in 500,000 immigrants a year by 2025. You can imagine how that's working out for young people that want to buy a home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,665 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Martin will take Taoiseach for 3 years, retire and pass down to FG. MM has no other route to government, he has to accept whatever FG want. I'd be absolutely certain SH won't be continuing has Taoiseach for now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    I have relatives who love getting these cash jobs …..and then moan about the services or lack of housing.
    We as a nation can’t have it both ways.

    I agree the state wastes money but that is also why I mentioned earlier about any party who tackles the HSE, would get my vote.

    I don’t see any reformers in the 174 publicity seeking junkies we just elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,899 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Staffing is a major issue in the HSE. Dunno what anyone can do about that. Try to reform and your up against the unions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Won't come to that, because FF will offer them a rotating Taoiseach.

    You see the electorate will say to FF why didn't you talk to SF if the FG demands were unreasonable? So there won't be an election, there will be a rotating Taoiseach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,430 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There's more than one way to skin a cat.

    The office of Taoiseach is only one prize. You have 5 or 6 senior ministries that are coveted, you have the EU Commissionership at the end of the term, the Presidential nomination could be an agreed government candidate, possibly from the smaller coalition party. Committee Chairs, whip positions, Super Juniors etc etc.

    Simon Harris is a realist, he won't be foolish enough to make a turn at Taoiseach into a red line. He will extract plenty of alternative concessions instead.

    You have to remember, fully half of his parliamentary party are now novices. He has just as big a job building experience and identifying talent within that cohort.

    Realistically, only half a dozen FGers are up to Cabinet service, let alone onerous jobs like Health, Enterprise and Justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭riddles


    we are already housing hundreds of thousands of people we aren’t obligated to do so. Clear out the demand and address supply. We can’t solve the problem whilst being bound to these mystically international commitments.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,507 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Any amount of independent TDs falling over themselves to support FFFG, there won't be any other parties involved in the next Government.



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