Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

Unstable and still another 14 short of a basic 90.

The decline of ffg continues. They're reduced to a pathetic double act to save their future and cling to power. Pathetic. SF didn't convince enough of the electorate but majority of the people want change , that is a statistical fact, and it will be harnessed by someone eventually. Whether that is sf , lab or a coalition of the left. Or an eventual far right party. Ffg bleeding of the country will only get them so much further I'm sorry to say for all our sake

If you just crunch the numbers, let's say FFFG suffer a drop next election and SF go up to 50 seats, Soc Dems and LAB increase to 15 each. That's still only a combined 80, then you have to bring in a 4th even 5th wheel to make up the numbers. Such a government would collapse in short order. It also assumes that all the decline from the government would go in one direction, some of it would go to parties on the right or Independents.

Sinn Fein rep on RTE Upfront living in cloud cukcoo land.

Selling the SF loss as a victory, and trying to set out a path to government from the left, even though she admits that FF and FG have the numbers.

Because there is more available seats. But both their vote share declined since last election. I'm talking about ffg not sf. Their vote share has been continuously declining election on election. Only a few elections ago they were arch nemesis who would have enough on their own with one other small party to form a government. Now they're siamese twins desperately clinging together and giving each other their 2nd preferences. It's embarassing and shameless.

With the continued long term trend of the decline of ffg of a share of the national vote it will happen eventually. From where they were as dominant juggernauts they're now each both reduced to parties the size of sf roughly and declining with each election.

I don't know nor care if it's sf who will take advantage but it will be some alternative. For better or worse

What is with you all on here. I'm not talking about sf 🤣 there are other parties. Ffg have declined over the longer term trend as individual parties and as a pairing. That's my point. And everyone else as a collective is slowly gaining. Last time sf benefited. This time it was a collection of lab and soc dems and some others. Sf live in your heads rent free get a grip.

Are they, seems to me SD just took numbers the Greens had before, 12 seats down to 1 and now SD on 11. It's a rotating left wing vote, 5 years time it might flip back towards the Greens etc. Left wing parties have about the same number of seats as they had last time.

If you had any clue about statistics and data you'd know longer and larger samples sizes are more important. And the long term trend is a dramatic decline in both parties. Their share of votes and seats was over 70% not too long ago. Now it is down to the 40s.

Their share of first preference votes also have declined since 2020. And since everyone knows the jig their voters transfer to each other to help each other out.

If they weren't declining why would such large parties who would often command government on their own and be rivals suddenly make the shamelessly cynical and strategic decision to be buddy buddy come government formation time these days? Cop on

Despite what you say this is a sf bashing thread purely it seems. I don't care that much for sf, and have already said who I voted for, but I care just as less for ffg. And all the smug ffg voters on here seem to think they've been vindicated when in fact, as has been established , their parties are in long term continous decline and the majority of people in the country do not want their two parties. Anyone who comes at me with "but but SF" is missing my point

As it happens I gave my first preference to the same party as you and none of my eight preferences to FG or FF. So maybe park your preconceived and ill-conceived assumptions

I dont care who you voted for. But I do wish you'd improve your reading comprehension and logic

If you calculate the various left parties, the 2020 election had 30 left wing seats excluding SF, 6 SD, 6 Lab, 5 PBP, 12 Greens and 1 Independent for change. This time around we have, SD 11, Lab 11, PBP 3, Greens 1. Giving us a total of 26 seats. Add in the fact that there's 17 additional seats and if anything the left vote declined this election.