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Irish General Election - Friday, November 29th *Read OP for Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    While I don't agree with the idea that housing is purely a market function (obviously not as many government policies affect supply and demand for housing), the point is that if something as basic as housing is not being supplied (by the market or otherwise) in sufficient numbers and at sufficiently low cost to the consumer, in what sense is the country doing well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    The people who voted for FFG represented about 27% of the total possible voter pool (60% turnout, FFG got 43% of that).

    The older generations vote and they are being handed the key decision, time and time again by the indifference of others .

    The control FFG have can be easily overcome…….27% shows that ……..but it requires effort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Any issues we have are common to many others and are purely down to staffing shortages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    This country is paradise compared to pre 90s Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Again, it is not so much the reason but rather the contradiction in what you are saying. To quote your earlier statement:

    "The reason they're (housing) scarce is because the country is doing so well. "

    If it was a fairly minor thing that we were in short supply of (like golf course memberships) then you might say that this was a fair price to pay for success elsewhere. But you are talking about housing which is pretty fundamental to life and a huge part of many people's expenditure.

    I don't wish to single you out though. It is a fairly common view and one that I don't think is examined properly.

    If success in one area means failure in some other area that is fundamental to life, then that is not really overall success for the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Say what you like but I'm voting for the DFLP.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭queueeye


    If I was a decision maker in FFG I’d be steering well clear of both Labour and SD.

    Better to try to accommodate a few moderate like minded independents rather than having a woke tail wagging the dog scenario again like they had with the greens.


    The passport dumping chancers at the airports and the BS referendums during the year spring to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    No matter who is in power housing will continue to be a problem for years for a myriad of reasons .A government would nearly have to railroad through planning and with a state building company build affordable houses and ignores the outcry from existing home owners worried about their expensive houses losing value due to cheaper hoses going up near to them .T



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    As it stands, I'd hope that the SDs and Labour stay well away from forming Government. FF and FG don't need them, really. They could surely get enough Indies on board or maybe even one of these minor parties on the right.

    I think both the SDs and Labours will be better served by staying away from this Government and pointing out its continued inability to govern as FF and FG have done in recent years and, thus, avoid the junior partner curse. Build up an effective opposition and potential alternative for the future instead of being accomplices to the continued shitshow that will be another FF/FG-led government where they would inevitably be left with all the blame as always happens.

    Let FF and/or FG have to live with the consequences of their poor governance for once. I'd be happy for an FF/FG/Indies government if, in five years time, a better alternative can be forged while the deadly duo once again display why they shouldn't be running the country and there is very little to distinguish one from the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am fair convinced FG wanted to go into opposition for a while to train up all their new TDs and run away from the massive promises. They probably didn't think FF would go so well and that Martin would rule out a SF coalition. FG might drive a hard bargain but will be dragged back into govt. How they go will depend on a few things including the economy. FF will definitely allude to them as the minor party after all the FG sneering since 2011. Willie O'Dea and McEntee should take Justice together...

    FG's greatest achievement was the rehabilitation of FF.

    The new govt will get a good grilling from strong ladies in SDs, Labour, SF and Independents. They won't like that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I think now that FF and FG got past their historical rivalry, we're looking at a future where, combined, they will dominate and form most governments for decades to come. The general pattern will be FFG in power term after term and a large number of very small parties on the fringes both left and right of FFG.

    The small parties can't compete with FFG on the centre and centre-right as people will just question the point of them. Therefore they must adopt positions to the right or left. But the Irish electorate are themselves quite conservative (in the sense of wanting business as usual) and don't vote left or right, or for ideological reasons generally, in large numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Average weekly earning increased more than double inflation rate in last year

    No wonder people voted for existing parties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭felonious_Gru


    Albert Dolan, he's one to watch, he'll get a junior ministry, Ann Rabbitte lost her seat and was a junior minister from the same constituency,these things matter ( geography) and Dolan is leaps and bounds an improvement on Rabbitte



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    I think they wanted to be in FF's position with at least 10 more seats and ideally be the senior partner in government.

    At that point I'm not sure they'd be inclined to give up rotating Taoiseach. They may well have been prepared to call FF's bluff by either forcing FF to cause an election or go into government with SF in much the same way as they went in with FG in 2020.

    FF accept no rotating Taoiseach - FG are clearly the bigger party.

    FF don't agree and no government can be formed FG blame FF saying that they should have accepted the offer or tried to form an alternative government.

    FF somehow get rid of MM and end up in government with SF and things go badly or even if they don't they will look to get FF supporters that dislike SF and they're back towards a 2011 type majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,201 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    I, for one, am happy with the outcome. The parties I backed did very well indeed. 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,262 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Exactly. The perception that nothing will change is really harming young voters who become disillusioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    I'm not old, 30 but if young people want change then stop complaining on social media, get off your arse and vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If the following link does not open then copy and paste it onto the address bar of your browser and you'll see an Irish Mail on Sunday article from 2018 about that incident. I remember reading about it at the time - so I assumed it was common knowledge.

    https://x.com/Revolution_IRL/status/1845872800189366303



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Hodger


    In the 80s and 90s there was still new social housing estates being built unlike present days and in the 80s and 90s there were no vulture funds buying up new housing estates thus further pricing people out of the housing market.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Ionraice


    I wonder how many polling cards were issued for people in Donegal who have emigrated? Certainly, a lot of the Donegal youth are abroad, or working away from home. The figures might prove illuminating, if they were available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,919 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    There won't be any figures to show why people didn't turn up to vote.

    If they are on the register polling cards are posted out.

    We need to reform the register, there are issues all over the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Ionraice


    I'm sure there are. But, certainly, Northwest Donegal has high levels of emigration. It would be very interesting to know how many young people "didn't vote", as a result of not being in the Country, is the point I was trying to make.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    What’s harming young voters is their inability to walk into a polling booth.

    But perhaps they also see the lack of options……we now have FFG on one side and 3/4 protest parties full of idealism but not a lot of substance behind them

    SF and SD want wealth taxes which won’t hit the super rich as they will move abroad. SF in the past have said they would tax private sector pension schemes but not public sector ones as they are not pension funds 🤔.
    During the election campaign SF also wanted to increase inheritance tax as it doesn’t bring in much. That would hit single people even more who want to give property to nieces/nephews but not an issue for SF as Eoin O Broin’s parents home was divided up between sons and daughters and he was all right Jack.

    Richard Boyd Barrett has a major issue about Ukraine’s NATO application because he hates NATO. He seems to forget that a war is ongoing and NATO membership is probably the only thing that will keep Russian troops from taking complete control when Trump likely pulls the plug on US involvement.

    And then we have Labour, whose brand new TD Marie Sherlock only wants to go into government with other small parties……so that rules out SF. And yet Marie Sherlock is so much better than Gerry Hutch ?. Her party colleague Alan Kelly has already indicated he wants to go into government with FFG so once more, Labour Party is at odds with each other between idealism and pragmatism.

    I have voted for decades and have only missed two GE in nearly 40 years but found the choice this time, harder than ever.FFG is full of wafflers but at least it’s wafflers with some regard for consequences for actions.

    I voted FF for the very first time as he is local and active. Don’t agree with all his claptrap but he is far far more active than the other outgoing TD’s who fell asleep in 2020 and only woke up six weeks ago.

    Yes, young people should vote, and vote for change if they so wish, but let’s not pretend that the other side have any more interest in the young people other than as a means to get into power.

    If any party had said……….we will reform the HSE and introduce compulsory job losses if necessary…..it would have got my vote. But that would be a brave move and we just elected 174 clowns whose main goal is benefits for themselves and re election.

    I still have the nagging feeling we should have kept the Trioka, we may have got some accountability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Agree re social housing. We stopped building them from an idealistic standpoint and are facing the consequences.

    Disagree re so called vulture funds. Without them where would the funding for new developments come from? Vulture is the wrong word. They are funds who gamble capital to make a retrun like every other business. Where I would have a problem with them is, if things go bad, they go to the govt with their hands out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,902 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    So the only sane option is FF FG. Given the shenanigans of the smaller parties after the election it seems to be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    " vulture funds " who allows them pick up the property for nothing? Oh yes, the government we elected to serve our interests...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    We were blackmailed into getting jabbed... as with the crash in 2008, they took the easiest way out. Just make the politically easiest decisions, borrow or spend obscene amounts and a typical Irish " we will deal with this later "

    That's my take, we all have our own ingrained positions at this stage, I'm not trying to convince any one...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Fg Insisting on rotating taoiseach, I told you... this BS needs to go. They can be a joke and they've no consequence. I voted FF but not Fg, to try and stop this farce...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They need to be told no, FF have 10 more seats, they hold the cards.



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