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Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    When the local elections happened, I was specifically told on here the outcome of this election would be different based on immigration.

    Turns out it was complete nonsense and people just stick with their usual political parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    This is actually outrageous if true which I assume it is.

    It reads like they don't want to find problems because it will be too much hassle to have to do anything about them.

    It's like being on the way to work and remembering you didn't lock the door, but it's too much effort to go back to lock it.

    We are told to always take precautions in life and this is ridiculous that we don't do it in this situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't recall anymore than a handful of people predicting the outcome of the election to be anything but the result.

    In the referendums boards was completely accurate about the prediction.

    The reason far right parties done terribly is because as stated here, their is not a big far right presence in Ireland, despite the media and government making up lies.

    If we continue as we are and try to ram in 20k a year for the next 5 years then I predict we will see a different result next time.

    At this point in time it's not as bad here as other countries who have moved to the right.

    The people gloating about the result are showing that they have been repeatedly wrong about the danger of the far right in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    So now the prediction has been moved out another 5 years.
    If immigration was a significant issue, the results should have been different.

    Was there not rioting in Dublin last year and buildings being burnt out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Just because people didn't vote for lunatics doesn't mean the majority are in favour of the continuing along with the open borders, let basically every scammer from everywhere to claim welfare for life. This is the stupid attitude that the Swedish had and look where they ended up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭enricoh


    The EU is returning right wing governments as the locals don't want to pay for freeloaders no more and other issues they bring, jihadism, ghettos, crime gangs etc.

    Ireland is still getting away with robbing other countries corporation taxes and this is what pays for the refugees and shields paddy taxpayer for having to pony up. It's fairly debatable whether this'll continue for much longer, Mr trump is glancing enviously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Where did Sweden end up? It's probably one of the best countries you could aspire to grow up in for so many reasons. A few immigrants fighting among themselves isn't the end of Sweden as a nice place to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    We are a decade or two behind the other countries who have gone to the right.

    We are a small country and in a housing crisis so I could see it happening in 5 years.

    We simply don't have the ability to accommodate a projected 20k people a year over the next 5 years without it being a problem visibly.

    Smaller towns and cities will see tents popping up sooner or later.

    Unless they try force Ukrainian's who are legitimate to go home.

    The only credible opposition to the government spent the last year talking about Palestine instead of talking about Ireland.

    They are actually more pro immigration then the current lot.

    Unfortunately a lot of damage can be done in 5 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Then why was there no change.

    Why will most of the same people be still in charge?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,079 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Mouthy people with all sorts of great ideas didn't turn up and vote



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    So the people forever on about immigration couldn’t be bothered to vote.

    And they expect people to take them seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,110 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Or they're saying one thing in public/on social media and then doing the opposite in the privacy of the polling station.

    Just because the likes of Gavin Pepper or Malachy Steenson didn't get elected, doesn't mean the immigration problem has gone away. It's only going to get worse and will be affecting much more people by the 2029 election.

    Also, can't remember which one it was, but one of the election threads had a large amount of posts from people who just felt that there was no point on voting as nothing will never change.

    Its such a self fulfilling prophecy, yet they don't seem to get it. No vote is a waste, every vote matters, even if your chosen candidate didn't make it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Blind loyalty. Look how mcentee eased in. No problem without a hitch. What senior ministry will she get this time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It has been said many times in here before the election that things would not change.

    The main opposition have shown themselves to be more pro immigration then the current lot.

    A lot of the independents are unknown and they can't really do anything.

    The only party that really talked about getting tough on immigration wanted to strip away womens rights.

    Thankfully we have progressed as a country and voting in people who want to take back womens rights didn't happen.

    The big two are the best of a very bad lot, which is the sad state of Irish politics.

    I was hoping they would get a scare and they might make some changes, but it looks like we will here in 5 years but things will be far far worse.

    I had a Google about Sweden after the references this morning and it is downright scary what we are in for on our current plan.

    A place renowned for being peaceful is now full of gangs shooting and bombing the shite out of each other while innocents are suffering.

    It seems to be mostly in poorer areas like here that is dumping grounds for them, at least our lot are smart enough to keep them away from their posh neighborhoods.

    How anyone can look at Sweden and think what we are doing is a good thing is mind boggling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,500 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The silent majority didn't show up again, starting to become a habit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,163 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The people were given an opportunity and voted for more of the same ultimately. There is no organised "right wing" in Ireland with credible candidates and none of them got a look in even in the most affected communities. It will keep them quieter for a while.

    Sure, not only could your man Pepper not identify the boundaries of his own constituency, he can't even string a coherent sentence together in a city council meeting. Always going to struggle with those deficits no matter your policies.

    That's the calibre of them across the board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    With them not getting a look in at 60% turnout, it's a silent minority that didn't turn up surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,215 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Hence a comparatively low turnout, imo. People don't feel they are being represented by the mainstream parties but at the same time can't bring themselves to vote for nutters. So they stay at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I am in shock that Simon Harris topped the poll in Wicklow, elected on the first count too after he barely got in 2020 that was after count 15 and given what happened in Newtownmountkennedy although

    All asylum seekers living in tents at a state run centre in Newtownmountkennedy, Co Wicklow, are being moved to another tented facility in Dundrum in Dublin during the current cold snap, the Department of Integration said.

    The department said the tents at the site of the former Central Mental Hospital were "better equipped to deal with the current weather conditions".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,461 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I see the "Weddings by Franc" guy is now involved in providing refugee accommodation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think he bought an old convent in West Cork

    It is the big business to be in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I am not shocked that you are in shock. You views are not reflective of the vast majority of the population as we saw this weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,169 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Yet polls and protests show different, is it a case, no viable alternative opposition party or just once FF FG voter always a FF FG voter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    .

    Ask the eleven Green TDs that lost their seats😂

    Well done Roderic, he emphatically proved me wrong. He took the Greens from twelve seats to one, from 155k first preference votes to 66k and scraped the last seat in Dublin West. He's the leader they always needed. A roaring success in government and the election result was a huge endorsement of his party's contribution over the last four years.

    Now that he's not focused on filling hotels, hostels and guesthouses with AS and IPAs and taking billions out of the tourist economy, maybe he'll do some work on the environment in his local community. Like stopping the three or four yearly fish kills that happen on the river that runs 50 yards behind his house. Fingers crossed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,957 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nobody gloating to be fair .

    This continuation of same does not suit a lot of people .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭dublin49


    The simplistic view of the election result will be "the people have spoken and the far right got their answer,Hmmm,in my view its much more nuanced,lots of voters who deem immigration is being mismanaged probably voted for one of the big 3 parties as although they may be unhappy with immigration they are not so unhappy to make it a single issue election.Secondly and more importantly there was no vote option nationwide that would be certain to effect change,so why bother,Gavin Pepper ,Derek Blighe and few other of their ilk were no match for the seasoned election machine of the big 3.A more realistic referendum on folks attitude to immigration would have been if one of the big 3 parties had broken ranks on the cosy consensus and stood on a more anti immigration platform we could then say the debate was put to bed for a generation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Anytime a poll has been put to the public on the topic of immigration, the views match up with this thread.

    The election was not a vote on immigration like you are well aware.

    I am firmly against our policy on immigration, but I didn't vote for any loons who would be worse in most areas than the current shower.

    I don't know why a few are posting like it was an election on immigration only, very disingenuous posting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,500 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,682 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    To the gloating posters who claim that this is proof that people don’t care about immigration, if we use that logic does that mean the electorate are also happy with housing and health and other issues?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,255 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    A lot of damage can be done in 5 years

    Sounds threatening.

    I wonder will we see the same violence and criminality from the anti-immigration extremists for the next 5 years?

    Hopefully it won't be allowed get to that.



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