Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Of course it's nuanced, but for the last 18mth both on here, in the media and in general political debate, discussion on immigration has been stifled. Anyone who raised legitimate concerns was labed far right, racist, fascists. Legal and illegal immigration was conflated, reporting on community protests claiming it was outside agitators.

People's concerns are stistill legitimate and very real but they've been beaten into submission by the state and a minority of rabid left loons.

Immigration, housing, cost of living and health service issues havent gone away just because 40% of voters have decided to return FFG.

Absolutely, I totally agree. Look what happened in the US for example.

No need to abandon CTA - just opt-in to the parts of the SIS II databases Ireland decided to opt out of. Like criminal background checks, which are only done here after a crime has been committed, hence guy in Cork. Meanwhile.. rest of EU are running those checks on entry.

Do it at entry like rest of EU… we already take biometrics for IPAs at entry - so why not run them through relevant databases we have access to?

Because Ireland opted out.

The only checks done are for an existing warrant (not that useful if an applicant has a violent history with time served) and for missing persons/stolen property, but we have deliberately opted out of most of the 19 databases we have access to. Applicants are encouraged to disclose criminal history voluntary…(!?) - this is often cited as ‘criminal checks’.

From Garda website

https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our-departments/garda-national-crime-security-intelligence-service1/schengen-information-system-sis-/

Ireland also doesn’t share information on refusals to remain and doesn’t access other EU countries refusals to remain as we opted out (denoted by asterisk on page linked). Leave to remain being different to refusal of asylum in another EU state which is checked courtesy of Dublin convention - but if someone is deported from another EU country the rest of EU has access to that information but we don’t check (also our own information on deportation orders… - that’s not for sharing).

We don’t employ SIS in border control as we opted out. - so no background criminal checks until it’s a criminal matter internally for the state.

Yes to immigration and yes to protection, btw. Also SIS, Schengen Information System has nothing to do with being in Schengen despite the name - it’s an EU initiative now, which EU is very much behind and pushing for.

It's absolutely hilarious he's kept his seat. The patriots must be losing their minds.

How that go?

No they don't . FF vote and FG share has reduced significantly over the last 20 years . Most people now see them for what they are and little difference between them .

However because we are currently in a successful economy ( we are according to all the pundits !) people are not going to vote for change in a hurry . Unlike after the last crash when there were the real winds of change . In the current economic climate it will take another 10 to 20 years to chip away at the consistent voting block that is the present electorate for FFFG .

It is happening though but slower than some would like .

As for the Greens ..smallest party in gov syndrome . If II go in with this gov no matter what they try to do about asylum or immigration etc , they will suffer the same fate at the next election

Are the greens the main party in Ireland?
And if not, who won the most seats?
What anti immigration party won seats?

Because most voters realise that it's not a green party policy, it's government policy.Which is based on legislation and international obligations and that isn't going to change whether Roderic O Gorman is in government or not.

He's in my constituency, got my 5 or 6 preference, nothing to do with immigration, I just felt other parties aligned more with my choices.

Does anyone think that anything will change in relation to immigration now he is not in government? Do people actually believe that he was responsible for immigration policy??!!

Yes disgusting ...so many simpletons with pencils in the country .

And yet such a low turnout

And yet again such a low vote for right wing candidates .

All the geniuses ( with the pens ) must have stayed home ;)

Can't what ? Sorry don't understand that !

Edit . I see your edit now .

Yes bit of that alright .

But they see the familiar and known as the ones that have steered a better course than other countries in Europe in recent years.

Think this is what people are missing here as so focused on one issue . Most voters for status quo would be thinking more about economy and jobs and taxes and less on refugees ,/ asylum situation which they would see as a smaller issue in the scheme of things . Especially as recently FG have dialled back benefits and increased processing .

Not saying that would be my opinion just that is where it's at .

There has been an over concentration in this thread on asylum issues and focusing on new people candidates who would "save the situation " .

It's very possible that the same crowd in again may actually face up to this issue along with housing ..it's also possible that they won't !

1.4 m stayed at home

When the "Sophisticated" Irish electorate sent a dancing jockey to represent us in Europe and returned a lovely bottom competition winner, I figured we were FUBAR - There was a really sophisticated old bat on the tv the other night - 'We're a FF house here and always have been' - she was as proud as punch about it as she showed the nation on tv that she's a gobsh!te. Presumably she had no problem watching Ajai Chopra pound the streets of Dublin in 2010 and did her dues by voting FF in 2011

That's what we're up against here

Sophisticated in an Irish context may mean 'a bit thick' - It's Craggy Island stuff

The people of Meath East seem to be a really sophisticated bunch too

It'll be back to business as usual soon enough - Work will start up again on the crown paints site, asylum scammer processing centres announced around the country and if you have any issues about it, you can vote them out…in 2029

O'Gorman scraping in. What a lovely fella - *****s up his party along with the country and gets his ass back in while his crew lose their jobs - he'll be a really popular leader alright

At least the 18/7 machine gun posting stopped just after the close of polls on Friday…

…which is nice

I doubt it. The register is so far out of whack with actual voters.

This is great information, and shows, definitively, that the current Govt has chosen to not implement controls that would prevent illegal immigration by bogus AS.

When you live in a far right echo chamber, you are not living in reality. Seeing them getting smacked in the face with actual reality is so funny!