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Killaloe bypass, Shannon crossing & R494 Birdhill-Killaloe

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    It really is. I've mentioned it a few times; a very welcome change from the banal boringly functional appearance of so much of our infrastructure. I posted an article earlier in this thread about it's designer, the late Kit Powell-Williams. I really hope that the bridge receives the recognition and awards it deserves.

    Stunning video too, thanks Dronehawk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Tis a fine looking structure alright.

    The only thing that jumped out at me … the outer guard rail is a bit … stabby looking???

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    If, say, somebody was flying along on their bike and lost control and fell on to one of those yokes, they could do themselves serious damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Hibernicis



    It appears to be unfinished. Looking at the shape I wonder if there is a cap to be placed on it, perhaps wooden boards (6” x 2”) at an slIght angle ?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Indeed it shows how when architecture is done right, it enhances the landscape rather than intruding on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,514 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If they were flying over on their bikes they deserved it. Even on cars we have speed limits

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,742 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Indeed. Let's install them everywhere to trim the herd



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Am I the only one that's not wetting themselves over the bridge.

    I would love if the added some suspension type look to really give it character.

    I know its not a suspension bridge and while the lower part looks super, the upper part looks completely naked when compared to beautiful bridges in other countries.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,961 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Suspension/cable stayed bridges cost a lot of money and are only built out of necessity. The Shannon is shallow and narrow enough at this point to allow the much cheaper option of a normal pier bridge. Adding superfluous towers and rigging is never going to happen due to costs.

    Other countries have them when they're crossing deep gorges and valleys or very wide rivers. Indeed we even have some in Waterford, Wexford and Louth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    As I said before, for me, the new bridge looks like it has always been there, which is a great quality to have but very difficult to achieve. It fits in with it's surroundings so well with it's understated beauty.

    I think elaborate bridges can look great too but in this case, the "less is more" approach is right on the money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Agreed, this isn’t a “statement” bridge, but it’s a bridge that fits beautifully into the landscape around it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭ch20


    Latest video update from Clare County Council



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭cartoncowboy


    It is a stunning bridge in fairness. Much nicer than the cable stayed monstrosity that is be planned to bridge the Garavogue river in Sligo town. The river is very shallow there. Something like this would fit the landscape much better versus what Sligo CoCo have selected (below) (They were given 6 options).

    Eastern Bridge.jpeg


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Looks alright to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,342 ✭✭✭davo2001


    The part of the bypass from Clarisford park to the Killaloe Hotel (bypassing Killaloe town) is due to open this Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭ollaetta


    Drove by a while ago and it's looking good. On the other side of the river the atrocious road surface from Ballina to the new roundabout has been redone and they were in the process of marking it. After all these years it will be fantastic in a few months when the whole project is completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭ch20


    December update posted on the ClareCoco website

    The ongoing Killaloe Bypass, Shannon Bridge Crossing & R494 Improvement Scheme is now at an advanced stage with significant milestones and deliverables being achieved.

    Clare County Council are pleased to announce that the Killaloe Bypass section of the works will be opened today at 12noon, Wednesday 18th of December.

    All road users are requested to exercise caution when proceeding on this new road layout from the new “Kincora Roundabout” to the North of the town of Killaloe which connects the R463 with the proposed Shannon Bridge Crossing section to the south of the town at “Shantraud Roundabout” on the R463 Regional Road to O’Briensbridge.

    This section of the scheme is approximately 2km in length with a carriageway width of 7.0m and a segregated 2.5m wide cycle facility (northern side) and pedestrian footpath (town side) of the new road.

    Clare County Council greatly appreciates the ongoing support and co-operation from all members of the public who have been impacted by these works over the last two years. This sectional completion represents the first major deliverable for the project, which is due for completion in mid-2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Clare County Council's Brian McCarthy, Killaloe Municipal District Senior Planner, discussing the proposal to close the existing bridge to vehicular traffic and restrict it to pedestrian usage:

    https://www.clare.fm/news/killaloe-ballina-bridge-pedestriansiation-branded-once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity/

    The formal process to close the bridge under Section 38 of the 1994 RTA starts in January 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 845 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    A pity they didn't employ the same designer when designing the bridge crossing the blackwater on the M8 just east of Fermoy. A horrid concrete eyesore is there today and clearly visible from the centre of town. A great opportunity was missed to put something special in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Pedestrianising the existing bridge would inconvenience a lot of people doing the school run and I think wouldn't be welcomed by locals as much as non locals might think. Large semi's was the main problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,895 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m never a fan of radical changes just because there’s new infrastructure nearby. Can be a major inconvenience for local traffic and often undos the benefits of the new



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Stephenc66


    There is a large number of people against it as seen on the local forums. HGV's only contribute a very small amount to the congestion. It is very high volumes of local traffic at school time and commuting time for work that causes the congestion.

    That coupled with the fact that the largest volume of people live on the Ballina side and most of the amenities, supermarkets schools etc are located on the Killaloe side.

    The new bridge will have a great effect in the summer as most of the Two mile gate traffic will now be able to bypass both towns.

    While I don't want to see it shut down, I believe if the old bridge stays open in its current format with the traffic lights there will be little effect on rush hour traffic.

    A compromise might be no lights and one way from the Killaloe to Ballina direction with a 3.5 ton weight limit. From a traffic flow point of view this would keep traffic moving better than if it were one way in the other direction.

    Traffic accessing the two super markets can do so in either direction off the bypass. leaving only the school traffic on the newline road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Literal rush hour traffic will be far less as the ultimate destination/origin is likely Limerick or Nenagh, so it will be quicker and more convenient to use the new bridge as it's on the way for anyone on the Clare side. The 300m long queue trying to get from the Ballina side to the Killaloe side of an evening coming home from work will disappear completely as all of it will just take the new bridge as it will be a shortcut

    The new bridge is really out of the way and inconvenient for the school run from the point of view of both sides unless you live towards the south of each village anyway.

    The knee-jerk urge to pedestrianise the old bridge by people who don't live locally is seriously inconsiderate and ill considered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭dennyk


    The new bridge isn't that far out of the way; it would add maybe five minutes each way to a school run vs. using the old bridge. When you consider how much time you'd save by not having to wait at the clogged Ballina mini-roundabout and traffic lights at the old bridge, it could easily come out almost even.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I'm willing to bet that the "people who live there", as in actually there, not ten miles away, are fairly sick of the school-run traffic too.

    So what if it's a longer drive: it's one without a bottleneck, so the travel time will be close enough to what it was.

    Making small rural towns and villages less horrible to live in means people are a bit more likely to live there, and that helps to keep services an amenities open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭source


    My parents live in Ballina, they walk everywhere unless they need to leave the village because the traffic is mental. A reduction in through traffic alone will be a massive relief to everyone out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Surely a trial could be done, take baselines of the situation after the bridge opens, then pedestrianise the old bridge for two week and measure the effects. You would also have to remeasure the situation with the old bridge reopened to traffic again as after using the new bridge some people may continue to use it, reluctance to change may have otherwise not allowed them to experience the benefits of changing their route.

    It could be the case that many would switch to using the new bridge even if the old bridge remained an option, while others might switch to walking/cycling across a pedestrianised old bridge, meaning relatively few are put out by pedestrianising the old bridge (although I'd still expect them to make a lot of noise, regardless of their numbers).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,957 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The people who live there, like me, are the school run traffic.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭dennyk


    Pedestrianisation of the bridge is not something that would happen overnight in any case, so there will be plenty of time for consultation and assessing the impacts. It's only one part of a comprehensive mobility management plan for the towns.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,556 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    You aren’t the only resident of the town: maybe other parents would like their kids to be able to walk or cycle across that bridge to school, but rightly don’t want them crossing using the too-narrow “footpath” that’s just a bit of red tarmac without even a kerb to separate them from cars.

    The bridge is too narrow for cars and pedestrians to both use it safely - pedestrianising it is the only option that makes any sense once there's an alternative river crossing for car drivers.

    The mobility plan documents (Killaloe Ballina Town Enhancement and Mobility Plan January 2022) give a sample route from Ballina Primary School to SuperValu in Killaloe as a 2.8 km drive, taking 3 minutes 42 seconds by car, using the bypass bridge - let's call it 4 minutes. Right now, Google Maps tells me it'll take 3 minutes to do the same trip via the current bridge. How much of a hardship is an extra sixty seconds in your car?



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