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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,642 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I really hope the new brings a sustained period of fitness and form for TOB, JOB and Baloucoune. We're desperately lacking in game breaking pace in the back 3. Hansen is out of form, and Lowe hasn't been great either. As a team, we've struggled to make breaks, and teams are defending our style effectively at the moment. We need to evolve and develop new threats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,000 ✭✭✭almostover


    POM made an impact when he came on alright. Claimed a few lineouts, carried well and his handling was excellent. Had some lovely passes. We really need a proper blindside starting in these games. No way Fraser McReight makes all those turnovers if we had a proper flanker on the field at 6. Not knocking Tadhg Beirne, but he's not quick enough anymore to get to the wide breakdowns first. He great as loose head lock where he takes up a much narrower position near the midfield rucks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Its a shame that Nash didn't get a run, even if off the bench during the series, neither winger could claim have had a great one which makes Nash's omission all the more baffling.

    Overall, I think the Irish player of the tournament was JvdF.

    The two new caps can look back at their games and be happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    I guess they were, who would have thunk it

    For the 6 nations Crowley and Casey start, Bernie at lock, gus McCarthy starts, Conan at 8, Dorris at 6, ringrose is crucial to this team and always has been, Osborne must start whether 12 or 15, they must stop playing porter and furlong too long in games or they will both be wrecked soon, they must start to develop real depth and trust players and give them real game time.

    I actually believe in building depth and rotation and giving youth it’s a chance.
    We were told Farrell started Pendergast as he believed in this too but I don’t think Farrell does believe that, he is too conservative a coach and unless he changes his thinking Irish rugby is going nowhere but down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The difference when Casey and Crowley came on was immediate. Night and day. If Sam and Park had stayed on, we would have lost this game

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Lowe had a very poor game. Hansen seems to have lost his mojo too

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Sam makes everyone else outside look bad, he's absolutely no running threat at all, he's sideways passing the ball, The Australian defence just ignored him and just pushed out on the wingers and centres.

    People saying he'll grow into it, I'm sorry, but you are a running threat or you aren't. You can't just learn to do it, if you could he would have learned it already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    I was wrong about Craig Casey I have no worries now when he comes on, even him starting above JGP wouldn't be unwarranted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Joe McCarty has some serious improving to do. His carrying was poor, and he doesn't do the work of a true lock. Needs to have more to his game that being a bigger back row.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,193 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I agree with 99% of what you said. Except for Casey starting. JGP is the better SH by a margin still. Casey is nippy with a good pass but far, far inferior to JGP when it comes to decision making and game management. That said, I didn't think JGP had his best game today.

    I don't think Casey will ever have a prolonged period at SH for Ireland. If JGP declines with age, the next wave of 9's, Murphy, Gunne will soon surpass Casey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭ersatz


    predergast’s short passing was great against Fiji but today a better defence almost eliminated it as a threat, otherwise he was ordinary with decent kicking. He made one fantastic kick to touch but the lineout didn’t get off the ground! Hard to look good when basic stuff like that is giving the ball away. I thought Casey had a much bigger impact than Crowley, seemed like he brought a lot of urgency and pace with him.


    Agree Lowe had one of the poorest performances I’ve seen but then we saw a lot of aimless ball get to the wing with plenty of cover defence. We are shipping ball without any ideas. Maybe selection issues but this team look poor on confidence and leadership. I’d be getting a bit concerned about the 6N. France, England and Scotland are playing great rugby at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭CptMonkey


    I keep seeing this said. I've been watching rugby for a long long time and I don't see it.

    In what way is his ceiling higher? He seems wooden to me when he had the ball. The defence doesn't come up to they just drift as he passes the ball on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    I think the coaching team should come under a fair bit of scrutiny after the Autumn we've had. Set piece and attacking play are poor but our selection is really letting us down.

    Whatever about starting Prendergast today I think the manner in which it was done (Farrell's comments in the media and wheeling Crowley out midweek to field questions) was poor.

    We continue to pick a hooker who's a poor lineout operator. Sheeran is injured but Herring should be ahead of Kelleher. At least McCarthy got game time.

    Our second row is a mess. Beirne is our best lock and should be playing there. You'd be forgiven for thinking Ryan wasn't playing today. You can't sing our locks praises when our lineout is shite and we're losing so much ball at the breakdown.

    The back three also needs a shakeup. Lowe has had a poor series and Hansen has not been playing well since his return. No reason Nash couldn't have been given gametime.

    At this stage I'm starting to think it's no bad thing that Farrell will be gone for a year. A breath of fresh air is badly needed.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think Sam has a pretty high floor for a 21 year old. I don't see a super high ceiling because he doesn't profile as a running threat to me.

    I prefer Crowley but i just prefer that style of ten. I also think its more likely Crowley takes a leap as a game manager than Prendergast as an athlete.

    Putting Crowley in front of the media was kind of **** as an aside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭thamus doku


    and I like murphy and Gunne too and I think at the moment murphy deserves a shot if he keeps his current form up.

    ideally Pom Healy and Murray who have had great careers are let retire out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭DBK1


    This exactly. For all the talk about Crowley over the last few pages he done nothing that Prendergast didn’t do. He had some good tackles, some good kicks and some mistakes, exactly as Prendergast had.

    The Prendergast situation was overdone all week and maybe that’s why so many are over exaggerating Crowley’s contributions when he came in but Prendergast wasn’t started to replace Crowley or because he has overtaken him, he was started to see what he’s capable of against good opposition and the 6 nations isn’t the place to try that so tonight was the time to do it

    The changes in the pack had far more impact on winning the game because that’s where we were losing it mainly. The bit of Speed Casey added in definitely had an impact too. I would have liked to have seen Casey brought on maybe 10 mins before Crowley to see how Prendergast would have paired with him but overall I think the experience Prendergast got the past few weeks is all positive for Ireland going forward and hopefully the 2 of them will push one another on for a long time to come.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    McCarthy has a lot of crappy enough games scored as 7s in the newspaper player ratings. I don't get it either. He also has really really good games but he mixes in bad ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    They still won despite everything! 3/4 ain’t bad. Not pretty but a good ending.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭crusd


    I think we need to start looking at an alternative to Lowe. He is not young and has regressed significantly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭ingo1984


    i missed the first ten minutes of the game. why did James Ryan have to go off?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    It’s almost as if that particular poster has an agenda.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,350 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    You didn't miss the first 10 minutes, you missed the first 53 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What makes you think Sam has a higher ceiling?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭thehairygrape


    it’s the left-footed kicker option. Stockdale can do that but keeps getting injured. Younger than Lowe too. I’m not aware of any other left-footed kicker that can play on the wing. Proper rugby bods might know of alternatives.
    Nash very unlucky to not get a run out instead of Hansen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What did Park do better today than Casey when he came on?

    In the november series Park has been well below his best, and whenever Casey has come on, he has played better than him

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Schmidt is a great analyst of the game, He worked out Prendergast easily and neutralised him.

    Sam is not a line threat, he doesn't have enough variety in his game to keep opponents guessing.

    In test rugby, the opponents will do their homework and will know exactly how to defeat Prendergast as he currently plays.

    Crowley is on a different level, he has deception and varies his play so that he is much more difficult to predict.

    In a few years, Prendergast might develop these parts of his game, but right now, he's impressive on the training pitch, and against weak and inexperienced opposition, but at test level, he's nowhere near good enough

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,054 ✭✭✭50HX


    I wouldn't say he is nowhere need good enough.

    He was started for exactly the reason you pointed to....better opposition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,055 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If you were a Leinster fan, would you like to see Sam starting for Leinsters's Heineken cup pool games? Or the knockouts?

    I doubt Leo will select him for any big must win game unless he's forced to through injury or suspension

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