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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    If I'm thinking of the same one I heard they were trialing it in moorepark and had to mix it with full ventilated masks so make what you will of that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Apparently its carcinogenic. 30 UK farms trialing it for Arla in partnership with some of the big supermarkets. What a mess, all to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    You’d also wonder about using PU. What chemicals are we actually handling. There’s absolutely no information on the bags unlike spray containers and the like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    tb situation across north tipp is out of control …every second herd going down ….friend of mine who converted from beef in last few years went down with 18 reactors today ….not a reactor on that farm in his or his fathers time ……next door neighbour has lost over 60% of his herd …gone thru few skin tests and 2 bloods ….6 down on most recent skin tests….no legions in factory ….dept are giving him permit to buy in now 😉😉😉….now there is limitations on where he can buy but it’s a bonkers decision considering how many he has lost in last few months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭straight


    People are saying that 90% of herds that get locked up buy in stock. Some lads have no interest in biosecurity such as buying an in calf heifer with 5 moves. Contract rearers with 10 or 15 herds on their farm.… madness.

    I don't mean to blame the victim like but this is what ICMSA were saying at a meeting recently. Deer are rampant too but not in my area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 international xl


    same in west cork go down on the skin test but no legions in the factory so i was wondering have they altered the manufacturing process of the skin test formula



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    I’d have more faith in blood …no legions means no visible legions ….blood picks up early stage infection …down side it will also take some false positives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Haven't the money to depopulate him I'm guessing, so have to let him buy back in, if they actually paid a compensation rate for lads been wiped out that are losing 30-40% of their herds that meant the loss in milk sales was negated they could be more stickier but in your neighbours situation if they hadn't let him restock, they would of basically been bankrupting him/leaving him with no income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Infected animals do not necessarily show visible lesions in factory - only about 30% do I believe.

    If you have lumps on the skin test then TB is there, unfortunately



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 497 ✭✭Danny healy ray


    I'd say we could have a vaccine courtesy of our uk neighbours in 2025 for what I'm hearing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44 CasePuma


    Bloods very inaccurate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭green daries


    As in extremely inaccurate..... how many types of inaccurate do ye have in the dept of ag for God's sake



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    It's a clusterf**k, 11 went here as inconclusive no lesions, my sprayer/straw man that got into cows, lost 11 also the same week inconclusives no lesions, if the 30% rule is accurate what are the chances of 22 cows from two herds going as reactors and no lesions on a single animal...

    Chatting a feed rep that milks also their down in limerick and all the neighbours are down with them been on 3 month contagious testing but down their in the main anything going down in the test is rotten with lesions....

    If the department don't engage the services of a couple of 100 wildlife control agents and start culling wholesale badgers/deer in hot-spot areas, come next year tb will spiral out of control



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    beg to differ …..any sort of decent breakdown I’d be insisting on blood…it will pick up early stage infection …downside is it will take some false positives too but hopefully will weed out problem ainmals earlier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    fully agree on last paragraph but can’t see them doing it …it’s already well out of control in places and more so where there was a vaccination policy in place ….farmers will start taking control of this if dept don’t



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Was told by the local dvo man here any wildlife issues will have to be done on the farmers own back theirs only skeleton crews in the department and no hope they'd get out to us



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    and from my experience they ain’t worth a shite unless it’s straightforward



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    My most boundsing farm is just been planted, half good land, half heavy to wet, and being let go awol for 30 years. I gently offered to buy some if it suited him but no joy. A big local dealer made an offer too so I'm nearly happier to see it planted than have a gangster like that for a neighbour, especially when you see the craic with all the tb etc

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,665 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    When I was in IFA, we used to find that the affected farmers sorted the badgers before the wildlife guys got around to doing it.

    A neighbouring dairy farmer told me last week that I have a huge badger on my land and I should get rid, I told him they're there a few years now and no TB breakdowns. You're better to leave them alone until there's an issue.

    Same with foxes, leave them there if they're no taking lambs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Anyone else spot the glaringly obvious mistake here, was this actually what was presented by a Teagasc specialist and no one has copped the mess up, it's not isolated either the entire set of figures is based of the table throughout the presentation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    We always left the badgers alone here, along the lines of your thinking, a forestry was clear-felled beside us last winter and the dvo man when he was out said that's the issue with badgers from that wood traveling up to a 10 acre woodland we had that's been untouched for 40 odd years, bar taking timber out of it, will be cleared in January before they get a chance to rear more pups



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    Their predicting a bumper year next year, because erm... we're due one?

    The largest cost, feed, is more based on reeling in the years?

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    What kind of woodland is it? It's hardly sitka at that age?

    “We are all capable of believing things which we know to be untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this process for an indefinite time: the only check on it is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up against solid reality.” George Orwell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    The chances are high, over 99% of animals with skin reactions have TB. There is no 30% rule, its a guide figure. In a fresh breakdown, the chances of finding lesions are much smaller.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They're missing a decimal point of heifer rearing costs, was recorded at .35-.45 cent kg ms of a range in the previous years and is down as .03 cent for 2025, read the article and no mention of a contract reader been involved and its not accounted for either in the other costs listed, throws the figures of by circa 15,000 euro for 2025



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Its native woodland Ash,beech and oak with elder aswell, cut the majority of big timber out of it 8 years ago, was classed as a habitat in the original reps



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭straight


    The election is over Danny. You can stop promising now....



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