Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

perhaps hamas shouldn't have kidnapped and enslaved all those people i the first place , they stole babies ffs and grannies , killed jews Muslims Christians , anyone they could really isnt that true ?

go back and watch the gopros that those animals wore because they wanted to remember and encourage others to do the same . murder porn , anyone involved deserves to die asap

I repeat the question, what pressure have the Israeli public and media put on Netanyahu to have the hostages released? Do they even give a toss about them?

The Israeli media and public seem far more energised in supporting the "war" and Netanyahu than in getting the hostages back.

It's difficult to take western commenters seriously on the hostage situation when the Israelis themselves don't appear to give a toss about them.

So, stealing babies and grannies, killing civilians. videoing the whole lot and encouraging others. And anyone involved deserves to die.

You'll undoubtedly have no difficulty with war criminals Netanyahu, Gallant and Deif receiving the death penalty. And throw in all the IDF who murdered for the craic.

Well Hamás definitely didn't think it through, did they. Not so sure what they did expect to achieve by that attack. It was very clear, Israel won't answer with afternoon tea party and negotiations. The thing is, IMO, those clowns just gave a free card for battering Gaza all for fooked up religion. Not mentioning leaders living in luxury, billions worth out made of the humanitarian help. Gazans starving at the same moment…, but Israel does this and that. If by any chance I'd believe in something, as they seems to believe, I would certainly share my wealth, chair with you and the dinner. Money involved in between all those cúnts pretending being a freedom leaders would probably fully rebuild Gaza, and if they for a moment put money towards to rebuilding, proper education etc., they would have a chance. Instead of fuelling pointless, delusional attempts of destroying Israel. Now what are the chances of that..

On the top of that, what are the chances of two state solution?

Israel certainly have means, so why would they needlessly risk lives of their soldiers? And I don't really think their primarily target one are the innocents. On the other hand, if Hamás had any chance to wipe Israel out they would, in a sec, without any hesitation and would probably be celebrated by Palestinians in the streets, just like we've already had opportunity to see the celebrations after October attack.

If there's just a fraction of Hamás left in Gaza, why the fook Palestinians doesn't drive them away? Should be pretty easy task by now? And, without a doubt, that would give them much more opportunities and international support, and at the same time more leverage to back off Israel's attempts at land grabbing?

Apologies, not all of my answer is intended to answer your post. But since you are the part of the most vocal community here..

The irony

What about the 1500+ Palestinians that Israel have been kidnapping since before Oct 7th??

They haven't a pot to p*** in especially in Gaza. Starved for months, shot, bombed and homeless and you want them to rise up against Hamas? Why aren't the Israelis trying to get rid of the War Criminals who have made Israel a Pariah state? Stop with the childish stuff.

Childish stuff, yeah right. What are the chances of getting your ass up from your comfy sofa and do something about their situation, bar from being really "concerned" about their well-being on boards, multiple times a day?

I'd say next to zero.

We saw plenty of Israelis celebrating the bombing of hospitals, homes, schoold etc too. We've seen videos of their soldiers laughing about it too plus the 2 hits with 1 bullet on the pregnant woman. I'm not going to suggest that you supported that either.

Israel is indeed seen as a Pariah state around the world and it's leaders as War Criminals. I'm not suggesting that you support War Crimes either.

Good, finally someone is gonna sort out the mess over there.

I'm also accepting donations.

The only sad fact I can see is, posters here, together with all powers involved, let it go that far.. And now it's the time to get involved, split into 2 camps and fight! Pathetic, seriously. It's more of a body count thread..

If I can politely express my opinion, Israel will be and is as we speak, seen as an asset in that region. And in compare to any country surrounding, it's a haven. So Israel will stay, and it will be supported. Do I agree with civilians being killed? I don't!

I don't think Israel is seen as an "asset" anywhere in the world - let alone the region. Israelis are leaving, Israel is a busted flush.

The only power they have is what they've achieved by force and the murder of many tens of thousands of civilians.

By all means, continue to support Israel and defend them - that is your right. And of course, that means you tacitly support the murder of civilians.

Personally, I would not support war criminals or a nation engaged in genocide. I will call them out until they stop. That is my right.

Body count is a serious issue. But more of an issue is Israel, who you for some reason call an asset, is now also committing war crimes. I'm against them continuing to do that. I'm not sure what camp that places me in your mind. But to say Israel is not deliberately targeting civilians is just a lie.