Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

I suppose that would worry someone who's in no way concerned about the root causes of disturbances in socially deprived areas, especially when those issues don't exist in their own areas, and in reality they couldn't give a care about the resources of AGS but use it to try and paint affected locals as "Far right extremists" "Racist… Fascist".. take your pick..

I didn't claim up to 40% are illiterate. You did. You kindly posted a link to prove it too.

Regardless of whether the people involved describe themselves as concerned locals or otherwise it's clear there's a high level of violence and criminality which is having a significant impact on scarce AGS resources.

So much so that it is the view of the Policing Authority that these protests need to be dealt with differently than all the protests in the country…

Authority Members discussed the policing of public protests with the Commissioner, in particular those protests relating to the placement of individuals seeking international protection in communities across the country. The Chairperson highlighted a number of issues arising for the Authority, having regard to public discourse on the matter and the related confidence in, and adequacy of, the Garda Síochána response to the policing of protests of this nature. The Chairperson further emphasised that the nature of some of the protests that had taken place in recent weeks, should not, in the Authority’s view, enjoy the constitutional protection afforded to peaceful protests.

No doubt we'll hear now how this amounts to 'two-tier policing' from those supposedly concerned with our safety and security.

That's a different thread about the management of AGS resources then isn't it, and as you don't seem in the slightest bit concerned as to why peaceful protests happen in the first place and can be manipulated by trouble makers then all you're Googling/copy-pasting here is the same old thing over and over…

I'm more concerned with Government policy when it comes to the location of IPA accommodation and why it's failed so miserably.

Do you read or watch the news?

Immigrants are convicted of everything from murder, rape and violent robbery . Week I'm week out

Tell you the truth, I truly didn't want to get into this next point.

Our Gardai , in particular the Public Order Unit haven't covered themselves in glory either.

They have behaved like a gang of thugs. Their very evident lack of professional training, ability to function under pressure and their failure to employ the principle of minimum force has marked them out for serious inquiry.

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From the moment they arrived at any one of those incidents they look like browns cows shambling about no clear leadership and complete loss of discipline and control once they attempt to advance

Above observations are based on my own Riot Platoon training and experience

I asked why they were destroying their documents. Sounds very fishy as if they didn't want anyone to be able to check on their pasts.

Talking to prison officer, they said committals are 50/50 Irish/foreign national. Now that may be an anecdote, but I'd still take their word for it over the government misinformation, massaging of the facts or a link to the journal.ie.

There were are, a nice bit of anecdotal fear-mongering.

Exactly what appears to be fueling the anti-immigration violence and harassment which is demonstrably taking Garda resources away from tackling actual crime.

RiotRiot training is not.public order training. They are different and AGS train their public order units very well. Just because you don't like.to see.them.doing their job, doesn't mean they are not trained

Thing is, on one hand there's the actual issues facing communities, and the realities of what can be done about them…

On the other hand there's the lies, misinformation and fear-mongering.

Rarely do I see discussions here about the actual issues facing communities and what can be done about them. The vast majority of this thread, and sadly the wider discourse on immigration, is dominated by the noisier and more aggressive elements spreading lies about 'safe' countries, welfare tourism, cherry-picking crime reports, pushing hypotheticals about 'vetting' and so on.

And of course, one of those very real issues facing communities, is a lack of police resources which has been demonstrably worsened by these very elements of the anti-immigration movement.

I haven't read the entire thread but i'd be suspicious of people who destroy documents as it seems to be an attempt to hide their identity. Why else would you do it. By the way i'm not anti immigrant at all. I'd just prefer to see the right people coming in and not people with a criminal past who are coming with bad intentions.

What experience have you personally had of public order training ? Have you ever deployed to a real world public order incident ?

Can you please list the differences between public order procedures and riot platoon ( civil role ) procedures ?

What precisely are you basing your accessment of Garda Public Order training on and what qualifies you to rate such as "very well" ?

Where did you get the notion I don't like the Gardai doing their job? I fully support law and order and condemn violent protest. So please state exactly why you made that scurrilous accusation or withdraw it with an apology.

You are vastly overstating this "Anti-immigrant" movement just to suit you retort against locals who dare to complain about genuine issues in their areas… there's massive issues with the failure of Govt. policies at all levels when it comes to accommodation and services. Creating the bogeyman so ordinary decent people are too afraid to complain about what's being imposed on their communities…all smacks of fascism there and helps push the involvement of any fringe elements who want to create anarchy within the communities..

you should head up the the ccj or your local district court for a few hours some day , check out the demographics there

A question which has already been widely discussed on the thread and to which there are numerous answers to be found online.

Again I can't understand why people who claim to be concerned with security are so willing, or at the kindest assessment utterly careless, about pushing anti-immigration rhetoric widely reported to fuel crime and place strain on AGS resources.