Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

Does this ruling have any implications for the status of all the Ukrainians here?

How can the brave fighting-age men of Ukraine require shelter in Ireland if their country is safe for a 10 year old boy?

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Except they are well paid.

LOL, it's both hilarious and depressing at the same time to watch the bould Helen sitting there like a scowling schoolgirl getting scolded by the principal for not turning in assignments and slacking off to smoke behind the bike shed.

Instead of taking responsibility or offering an explanation, all she has to offer are 'the dog ate me homework' excuses and flat out disingenuous lies that the dumbass keeps repeating, despite being corrected numerous times on the same point.

Given that you've gone off on tangents immediately talking about people with generational ties and the far-right in East Wall, I think it's fair to say you have nothing to support your claims about IPA's and falling home ownership rates since the 70's.

In response to another poster who said Ireland had a housing crisis in the past .In general migrants coming will be more dependent on social housing and rent support . I did not specifically say asylum seekers .To buy or rent a house was much easier in the 70's ,80's and 90's !!! Perhaps you were too young to remember.

It would be disappointing if it had an effect on just Ukrainians and not other nationalities because they've a more legitimate right to be here then a lot of nationalities.

Well, that won't stop any asylum seekers anyway. You can bring them to court, convict them and they are still entitled to claim asylum, so that doesn't solve that, does it?

We have immigration laws just like any country in the world. What gave any right for this person to come here illegally and work while honest people apply for jobs, spends months to get visa, work permit etc and support themselves from the day they arrived here?

Are you seriously supporting illegal immigration?

It looks very much that this guy came here legally.

I've nothing against deportations but I think our current policy of focusing on people who've committed crimes is about right given AGS shortages.

The deportation process can take a lot of Garda hours, using this to deport peaceful, working people when AGS are so under-resourced in tackling serious and violent crime seems dangerous and utterly wrong to me.

In general migrants coming will be more dependent on social housing and rent support .

How do you figure this out? Considering most migrants are working here?

Ffs sake I hit 'save comment' instead of post but anyway ……

This exchange at an Oireachtas Joint Committee [23 April] - Independent TD Marion Harkin asks questions McEntee about the draw opt-in to EU Migration & Asylum Pact will have while making comparisons to Denmarks policy…..

Harkin asks - “One comment you made several times is that Ireland would be more attractive to asylum seekers if we don’t opt in,”…“I find that hard to believe. Denmark, which has a much tougher asylum system than we have, decided not to opt in.”…“If the Danes thought that by staying out, it would make the country much more attractive, I suspect they’d have opted in. I don’t expect you to comment on Danish policy, but I don’t think we should neglect that fact.”

McEntee: “Denmark doesn’t have an option to opt in” to the Pact, because “similar to the same way that we negotiated that we would have the opt in, they decided not to apply the asylum rules and regulations.”

Harkin: “The question is, why are they not more attractive?”…“If not joining makes us more attractive, Why isn’t Denmark?"

McEntee: “Denmark is a very different system to us,”…“…It’s a system where people are detained. They’re not allowed to leave. You can look at what the reception conditions are like compared to ours…they’re very different.” 

Harkin: “Yet they operate under EU rules, Minister,”

McEntee: “They operate differently,”…“They have different agreements with different member states in terms of returns or take backs. But it is a fact that they detain people. They detain people in the same way that you would in prison. It is the rules that they apply.”…“That’s the decision that they took, but that’s not the decision that we have taken. It’s not the route that we have chosen. And I don’t think the vast majority of people would like us to go down that route.”…“That is [Denmark’s] decision - I’m not commenting on it good, bad or indifferent, but that is a very different system.”

Harkin: - “I understand that, but they still operate within the EU treaties,” 

In the same committee, McEntee stated that The “vast majority” of Irish people would not like Ireland to have a Denmark-style asylum system, because “they detain people in the same way that you would in prison.” How the f*ck could she possibly know this? All opinion polls state the opposite.

• [31/7/24] Red C Poll  Electoral Commission - 72% of Irish people believe there should be “very strict limits on the number of immigrants coming to live in Ireland”.
  • 72% believed that the govt had “lost control of immigration”. 75% of women & 69% of men agree. 82% of Aontú, 79% of SF, 47% of GP supporters agreed. 
  • 42% of people disagreed with the statement “Refugees from conflict zones should be welcomed into Ireland” 
  • Overall 45% agreed that “European integration has gone too far”
• [26/8/24] Ipsos Snapshot poll for The Irish Times - 76% voters have a negative view of the Govt’s performance on housing and immigration & what the Govt is doing

Yet McEntee went on national television and accepted the right of millions of people to come here, which is a right they don't have. She also made the point "we cannot go it alone, and to look at Britain" but again, what about Denmark ffs?

the capacity to exercise border control – is fundamental to liberal democracy in two senses. First, liberal democracy is linked, as a matter of history and current fact, with the (first European, later American) state.4 And fundamental to the sovereignty of the state is the capacity to control borders.5 Second, policy in a liberal democracy must in some measure reflect the aggregated preferences of its citizens. And nowhere does a majority of the citizenry support open borders

UNCHR: Deportation and the liberal state: the forcible return of asylum seekers and unlawful migrants

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Their "tweaking" of immigration policies has been like trying to hold back the flood with a sieve.

contrary to what we’re being told, under the opt-out clause in the Lisbon Treaty II, as voted on by the people of Ireland, we were under no obligation to sign up to any international immigration pacts but McEntee has

It has become increasingly obvious, imo, that McEntee & the Uniparty has deliberately caused this entire IPAS crisis in order to defend opting into the EU Migration Pact. From 2021 to 2022, McEntee's department didn't enforce immigration law at all. Now Fine Gael says the crisis proves "we can't go it alone". “We can fix it now, but we couldn’t then.”….Coincidence? When Simon Coveney stated in the Dail [6/10/20] that "No country should be able to opt-out" it was obvious that Suthelands apprentice and Bilderburgs boy had made up our minds for us. After all their 2040 Plan must be fulfilled.

"The EU Migration Pact will involve the biggest ever transfer of our Sovereignty in the history of the State. To give that away in a single vote, without any judicial scrutiny or consideration of the Constitutional implications will go down in the history of the State as the greatest ever betrayal of the Irish people by their own public representatives" - Una McGurk, Senior Counsel 

I agree.

That's a different thread then isn't it… or maybe a study to be conducted by a University.. my points stand though.

Any migrants/IPA's with a criminal record will be issued with a deportation order.

Well that's not true.

Well, state the law which says IPA's who commit crimes whilst their applications are being assessed won't be issued a deportation notice and instead will be welcomed into the community..