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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    The call for no more weapons to be given to Ukraine to protect themselves from invasion and the call to reduce freedom of the press are two extremely worrying policies in the Sinn Fein manifesto. They were previously consistently pro Russia but have since wiped this from their website. Europe should stand strong & united against the Russian invasion or Latvia, Estonia etc will be next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    SF are +3 on tonight's IT poll

    FG -2

    FF +1

    Greens +1

    SD -1

    Lab NC

    Aontu +1

    IND -2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It's unny watching the shinners, they are in overdrive across all social media, certainly spending a pretty penny on influencers etc. Some who have spent a significant amount of time jumping around on a pin head trying to not admit they are supporting SF even coming out and admitting it.

    Hilarious they think people don't notice when they are all on the exact same points to the word, exact same discussion and using all the buzz words SF central has sent down

    If it doesn't work it will be a lot of money spent. Will they keep on funding all these people? maybe a few disgruntled influencers in a few weeks might let some details slip.

    Lets wait and say

    It is ruining every social media in Ireland when all you hear is a load of pre-written boll**ks from SF when you log onto any platform



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Back we go to tired and redundant and of course unbacked up old tropes.

    The data on online spending shows this:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,567 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Article says they have increased spending significantly in recent days. Does not refute the claim of them going in to overdrive; if anything it supports it.

    "It is understood Sinn Féin is holding its spending resources for a major ramp-up in digital advertising in the final days of the election."

    Did you read the article or just assume it backed you up from the headline?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No, just pointing out they all are spending online.

    The essential point being that it is 'backed up data' not just the repetition of a tired old derogatory trope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You don't need to spend online if you have a hundred online thugs from Northern Ireland spouting propaganda across every social media site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The problem here is that nobody would be allowed (rightly) to make claims like that about another party without backup.
    Online abuse comes from supporters of many parties, that's a backed up fact in the data. That political parties are funding or organising it is not a proven fact (the same data actually shows that the shinnerbot trope is not based on any fact and not proven) but you and others can keep claiming it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    SF still the party that most voters do not want to see in govt, at 35%.

    FFG govt is still the favoured outcome, according to the IT poll.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    I really don't see who could do a better job as SF leader than MLMD. I feel SF have the potential to come across as this weird, secretive party that harbour bad secrets (not sure if I'm wording all that right), but MLMD breaks down that veil and makes the party more approachable for a regular vote. FG and FF are a safe vote. MLMD helps a bit in making SF seem like a safe vote. I haven't seen anyone else from SF who would be able to do the same



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Drove to limerick from Cork this morning. What was noticeable (I've mentioned this before) is that Mary Lou is not visible on posters. I counted exactly 1 poster with her on it. Saw a few Holly Cairns and plenty of Micheal Martin and Simon Harris.

    Greens don't have Roderic anywhere and same goes for Labour it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,567 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In Kildare North, the Soc Dems large format posters have Catherine Murphy on them, looming over the new candidate. No Holly.

    Really makes him seem weak and dependent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Last election there was criticism of MLMD for using her on posters here and it had to be pointed out other parties had done it in the past.
    It's an electoral strategy decision in reality. This time FF and FG are trying to sell Brand Harris and Martin, SF deciding to promote individual candidates. Can't see the big deal myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Kind of weird to see Sinn Fein pushing the agenda that the other two parties are excluding them.

    Displays a huge amount of inferiority, that they are not up to the job of governing, without some hand-holding from MM or SH.

    Almost like they accept the inevitability that they will mess up without help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    None of them have entered enough candidates for an overall majority.

    Watershed moment in the decline of the big two. An admission that they can't get power without enthroning each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What has that response to do with Sinn Fein, the subject of this thread?

    I was pointing out the SF (the subject of this thread) and their supporters on here are continually complaining about being "excluded" by the two main parties, and that this is a clear indication of their own belief that SF are not ready for power on their own. Running scared of power as you were.

    Nothing to do with the number of candidates run by the other parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    No party including the one that is the subject of the thread, has run enough candidates for an overall majority. All of them (including FF and FG for the first time) recognise that they cannot govern without 'holding hands' as you put it. with other parties.
    Yet you single out one of them. Exceptionalism again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Oh, you have completely missed the point.

    The polls are indicating SF will be able to form a government without FF and FG, just gather everyone else up in a Rainbow Coalition as even the cack-handed John Bruton was able to do (incidentally do you think MLMD is a lesser politician than Bruton?).

    Yet, you and SF spokespersons are bewailing the refusal of FF and FG to do business with them. Weird.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    FF and FG have closed ranks, tacitly merged to hold onto power. That is a transparent given IMO.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why is this such an issue for you and SF? Take power without them. Show the power of MLMD's leadership by bringing all the others under her bailiwick. Show Ireland what SF can do.

    Or cower in the corner saying the big boys won't let me play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I don't see anyone in SF 'cowering'. I see two parties once independent, sheltering and holding hands because their survival in power depends on it. The are having to tighten their grip on each other. Keep it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So sad that the big boys won't let SF play, even though SF have the majority of the playground to play in with the other children.

    Seriously, you haven't been able to explain your obsession with FF and FG. If MLMD was a strong leader, she would have said in the debate on Tuesday, don't vote for FF or FG, if you don't like me or SF, vote for one of the others, I will bring them all together under a government for change. She didn't, she whinged about the other two excluding her. Pathetic stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am and have no shame about it, 'obsessed' with ending the FF FG cling to power.

    Wait a week or two and you'll see FG FF eat grass with a party diametrically opposed to them policy wise to come govern with them (Labour seem to be the anointed one) the reason they hide behind when refusing to talk to another party. Transparent hypocrites that they are. I won't be cowering in calling them out for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Only because that other party - SF - don't have the craft to pull together an alternative coalition.

    As I said before FG did it in 1948 and again in 1994. Pity that SF lack that ambition and self-confidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Doesn't take any craft to appeal to serial comfy seat hoggers like the Greens and Labour. They'll spit out the Greens to get thrashed in an election and do the same to Labour …again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,897 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    well sinn feinn didn't manage so they are missing something. it depends whether you can get key policy implemented or whether you're arrogant enough to think you should have a majority as FF were for a long time. sinn feinn appear to think you don't have to compromise.

    My weather

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You compromise in the negotiations for government. It's ridiculous to expect any self respecting party to compromise before that. FF wouldn't and neither would any of the rest.
    We are constantly told the Greens ensured part of their goals were enshrined in the PFG or Labours were, but FF and FG exclude SF from an opportunity to do that.
    They are hypocrites, they are running scared from a party with a mandate similar to theirs. And will continue to enthrone each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,075 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    But you can only control what you can control. If parties don't want to work with other parties, that's for them to decide. On that basis, it's up to your team to get enough votes for the other parties decision to be irrelevant.

    That's just politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,778 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Absolutely, never denied.

    Problem is, these 2 spent 90 years approx refusing to work together but suddenly decided it was possible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Do you think about the logic before you post something.

    You have many parties - FF, FG, Greens, Labour - who have learned how to form coalitions, and other parties with members who did so in previous parties - SD, II - and they all have one thing in common. That is that they have not been able to do a deal with Sinn Fein. Now, is that the problem of all the parties, or the problem of Sinn Fein?

    The logic suggests that if all the other parties are capable of making coalition deals with one another, or various combinations, then the problem lies with the one party (and PBP) who are incapable of forming a coalition, not with the other parties.

    The victim mentality means that you will cry that SF are excluded by other parties, but in reality it is simply that SF lack the leadership, the vision, the knowhow, to be able to compromise and form a government.



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