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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No major outlet has been able to report from Gaza for nearly a year. They're banned. Or murdered by the IDF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If you had bothered to read Mr Fox's post on X you would know that he said that the major outlets' unwillingness to report on the Hezbollah tunnels "goes a long way to explaining how Hamas in Gaza might also treat international journalists, how those journalists react to threats and therefore why they're not allowed in".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel banned the journalists from Gaza, not Hamas.

    Israel has murdered journalists - Hamas has not. Nor has Hezbollah as far as I'm aware.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,343 ✭✭✭SeanW


    So I suppose Hamas have surrendered then?

    Here's the thing, what you describe happens in all-out war, for example the Nazis extensively bombed London and much of the UK during World War II. Usually, when it comes to all-out wars, we blame the ones who started it.

    The only reason Hamas etc. aren't killing Jews in such large numbers is because they don't have the means. It isn't some virtue.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Amazing how much time is spent not addressing the fact Israel is committing war crimes and crimes against humanity by their supporters here. They shoukd just come out straight and say they support war crimes as long as the Israelis commit them. None of the feeble excuses , that this just happens in all out war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,892 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Journalists are banned from entering Gaza because they'd be in danger from Hamas or they might, intentionally or not, give info that would be beneficial to Hamas.

    There's no evidence that the killing of Al-Jazeera (an outlet that is hostile to Israel) journalists in Israeli attacks was intentional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I see you are back to bringing up the same points that have been debunked previously

    Here is the thing, international law exists for a reason, It arose from incidences that occurred in previous wars.

    You seem to be under the misapprehension that international law doesn't apply to Israel, it does. Maybe you should go to the Hague and argue the point of law that the ICC judges missed- that total war allows Israel to violate international law by withholding aid, deliberately killing civilians, targetting civilians infrastructure and generally engaging in collective punishment- on the last point an Israeli general in a previous war admitted it was IDF policy to do so. Putin and other despots can now invoke the Sean W total war defense to render any charges brought by the ICC as null and void

    It's true Hamas don't have the means to kill as many as civilians as the IDF - as the IDF have demonstrated over the last 13 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel, and I quote, stated that "Hamas are defeated" - a month ago. That's why they are not killing Israelis (note, Israel is 25% non Jewish so it's nothing to do exclusively with "Jews").

    So how can the "war" still be going on? Because it isn't a war. It's a genocide and Israel is simply clearing out northern Gaza by starvation so the settlers can move in.

    As you well know and as has been debated over hundreds of pages here, this did not "start" on Oct 7th.

    But, as ever, feel free to continue justifying genocide and war crimes as much as you like - anyone who does has no moral compass and is as guilty of inhumanity as the alleged war criminals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No. Israel banned journalists from Gaza so the world would not hear of or see the war crimes being committed.

    If Al Jazeera is hostile to Israel, care to comment on why Haaretz is being sanctioned now? Are they also hostile? Anti semitic?

    Israel are well versed in controlling the narrative. They simply don't want the world to see 45,000 dead bodies, 100,000 injured civilians or emaciated orphans begging for a mouldy piece of bread.

    And given Hamas are defeated, why aren't journalists allowed back in?

    But sure, it matters not. Israel is up for genocide. Gallant and Netanyahu are alleged war criminals who will be arrested.

    The world sees enough of what happened and what continues to happen even without the world's press present.

    Israel is a terrorist genocidal state led by war criminals. Israel is a Pariah. The stains will never wash off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,604 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Eh no The only reason experienced war Journalists are banned from entering Gaza is because the IDF are trying to cover up what they are doing . I know you're an apologist but expecting people to believe your excuse is bordering on farcical



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So, alleged war criminal Netanyahu says the quiet part out loud.

    If "power" means being able to murder 45,000 civilians without any response, then sure, Israel is "powerful" in the same way the Nazis were "powerful" for carrying out the holocaust.

    The world is not in awe, it is in shock that genocide and war crimes have a part to play in the 21st century.

    BBC:
    "Netanyahu starts off by addressing residents in northern Israel, saying he is proud of their perseverance and resilience. 

    He says thanks the valour of the Israel Defense Forces, they have achieved great achievements. The entire world is in awe, he adds, saying its action reflects Israel’s power across the Middle East."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not commenting on boards posters specifically, but it is clear that racism is one of the key factors in support for Israel and Zionism. The vast bulk of support is coming from Islamophobes who have a huge problem with the religion and with Muslims in general. The Israeli state itself seems one of the most racist in recent times : like the South African apartheid regime with bells on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    in fairness you're doing a good justification of the events of OCT 7th right there. The usual poor Hamas simply had no choice, and were entitled to defend their people spiel. Stating that the current events in Gaza didn't orginate because of the events of OCT 7th is just childish. You're also implicity defending their right to commit genocide by taking this position.

    These are the charges against the terror regime you continue to defend, by the ICC.

    "responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence".

    No democratic country can allow such horrors and crimes be committed against its citizens, without taking action to protect those citizens.

    The ICC has only issued warrents against Beni and Gallant. Those charges have yet to be proven. That's the way it works.

    The WAR continues, and it is a war, because the Hamas death cult resuses to surrender and bring the suffering of its people to an end.

    If you want peace, perhaps you could advocate for a Hamas surrender for a change. It's far more pactical than yelling 'Genocide' 40 times a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    A post that could only be written by someone who has clearly never been to Israel, a very multi-cultural society, far more so than here i would say. Ireland, on the other hand, is a very racist country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I was responding to another post. So the context is important. You appear to have missed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I'm personally surprised that the warrents were issued, but, Israel isn't party to the ICC, so, whether people like it or not, this is only an accusation, and the case is never likely to be argued in court. If it is, I would assume that they would make a very robust defence of their position. That's just the reality.

    What is interesting, as usual, is how excited posters get by any news that paints Israel in a bad light, and how one sided the commentary is. Another day in which Hamas are completly erased from the conversation.

    The reality of war is that it gets prosecuted to a conclusion. Hezbollah, a criminal orginisation at heart, copped on pretty quickly that they were getting their hole opened, and a ceasefire is rumered to be imminent.

    The Palestinians on the other hand seem to prefer their great war of liberation no matter what the cost.

    Does it not stagger you that not a single Palestinian voice for peace has been sounded once since the start of this war?

    I mean, what are they going to do in Gaza after the war? Round up 20 billion in aid, scratch thier chins, and go, 'Yeah! lets give this to Hamas for the rebuid, those guys know what their doing'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, I've lived in Israel and I fully concur with that post. It is a racist country. It certainly is multicultural alright - but anyone who isn't a Jew is treated as second class citizen.

    Did you live in Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    More work, than 'living' i suppose. Back and forth a lot.

    How could you knowlingly live in a racist, genocidal, apartheid, ethnic cleansing state?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,108 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There are none so blind as those who will not see ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,108 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Ultimately we're all 'Zionists' in our own way. We all want a country of our own.

    You saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,108 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You should read up on International law and specifically what the ICC is and does. You will find it enlightening.

    Regardless of Gallant and Netanyahu being arrested or not, they will forever be known as alleged war criminals. As will Deif - if he's still alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Because I didn't live there in the last 12 months since Israel started its Genocide and committing War Crimes.

    If you were there, you would have clearly seen the overt racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Here's a cursory search on civilians killed in the UK in WWII:

    In WWII there were 70,000 civilians killed in the UK, largely due to German bombing raids during the Blitz: 40,000 civilians died in the seven-month period between September 1940 and May 1941, almost half of them in London.

    Israel have so far killed 45,000 known civilians in Gaza in 13 months. That's probably closer to 60,000 if the number of estimated unrecovered dead are included. Other sources suggest up to 190,000 have died/will die in Gaza at the hands of Israel.

    But for now, another 10,000 killed in Gaza and Israel will be on a par with what Germany did to the UK. The Germans also committed Genocide. The irony…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,819 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    They are in the exact same position as Putin. Both will never be argued in court as both Israel's and Russia leadership do not want to go to Prison.

    Are you so blasé about the charges against Russia too? Arrest warrants for crimes against humanity of course puts Israel in a bad light- most normal people would think they should put a stop an operation which is prompting such charges. Hamas are accused of the same so they are being talked about in the same light. Its obvious war crimes are just not a big thing to you, that you feebly try to minimise them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I'm as au fait with the ICC as you are i'd say.

    It's all relative. The Palestinians will be forever remembered as the people who elected an Islamic Jihadist terrorist organisation to run their country, openly celebrated OCT 7th, and lamented the death of Yahya Sinwar.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭TokTik




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭TokTik


    They could have accepted the deal to have all hostages released on Oct 9th. Wouldn’t have even had to ask nicely. Hamas offered them the hostages.



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