Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The 'some Israelis' that you disingenuously refer to, are the ones who have the power to control the IDF forces.

It's a democracy, unlike any of the Arab countries surrounding it. The minute there is a clear path to ending the war without enabling Hamas to simply regroup and do it all again, there will be irresistible pressure to do that. Gantz, who's an army man, and has huge respect within the IDF as well as among the moderate section of the population, only walked because there was no alternative - but that's because Hamas refused to give them anything with which to force Netanyahu's hand.

Or this more recent development:

There is huge pressure within Israel for a peace deal, but while Hamas refuse to release the hostages, it cannot get anywhere.

TBC (and for the nth time) nobody on here is defending war crimes. Has there ever been a war that has NOT had war crimes? Anyone guilty of such should be severely punished. Right up to the top if necessary.

Calling it a genocide is a different matter. It devalues the whole concept.

So, to be clear, what do you think Israel is/was entitled to do to free a 9 month old baby that was captured and taken into Gaza?

Ask nicely??

Any idea why the ICJ would have held the SA case for Genocide against Israel as plausible then?

And any idea why the ICC, in their arrest warrants, call out acts allegedly committed by Gallant and Netanyahu that fall under some of the Genocide definitions?

Do you believe the ICC and ICJ are devaluing Genocide?

Yes all thousands of murdered kids posed a serious threat to the War Criminals in Israel. Imagine having an arrest warrant out for the leader of a country PJ? He's in the same boat as Hitler and Pol Pot now. Very fitting company for him.

Lots of possible reasons - but even before that, you had already decided that the mere consideration of the claim of genocide meant that Israel was gguilty. Obviously a mandate for arrest makes them even guiltier, so there's not much point in suggesting that, for instance, a need to be seen to be excessively even-handed might be part of the reason? because obviously if the ICJ had thrown the case out, nobody would ever have blamed the Jews for their alleged control over everything, would they?

Guilty until proven innocent, when it's about Jews clearly.

This is an even stranger argument. Israel shouldn't have responded to the murder and kidnap of its citizens because the murderers can't fight an actual army, only unarmed civilians or lightly armed teenage conscripts caught by surprise? Really?

Was this the female hostage killed in an Israeli airstrike? Haaretz, who are to be sanctioned by Israel for reporting the truth, wrote about it as follows:

"Further proof of Netanyahu's priorities was laid bare on Saturday. Hamas disseminated a message that included photos indicating the death of one of the female hostages it was holding. The IDF notified the woman's family, but since it cannot reliably verify Hamas' claims, it called on the public to refrain from spreading rumors. Netanyahu, however, was occupied with other things. While the information received from Hamas was already known to the relevant agencies, the hostages' families are wracked with anxiety. 

Netanyahu, however, chose to issue a nine-minute-long video about a person he really cares about: himself

" – Amos Harel

And yet you still haven't answered the query on how you think people are devaluing the word genocide.

Perhaps because you can't and it grates that Israel are accused of doing something you think there not. Murdering many tens of thousands of civilians and starving more.

Feel free to continuing arguing on the "devaluation of genocide" whilst everyone else sees it with their eyes.

Other than claims of anti-semitism, do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?

We are not talking about collateral damage anymore, we are talking about war crimes. When Russia does it it is wrong, when Israel does it is wrong. Don't be on the side supporting war crimes.

Collateral damage is a bullshit term for civilians getting caught in the crossfire in a battle.

There hasn't been a battle in Gaza for almost a year. Its one side bombarding a starved, bloodied and displaced civilian population into dust, mercilessly month after month

Given the current "war" is headed up by two alleged War Criminals and a State currently under investigation by the ICJ for Genocide, I'd say its not a "normal" war and comparisons with other wars is moot.

But sure, continue to keep on justifying the murders of up to 190,000 civilians (and counting) by bombs, bullets, disease, lack of medical facilities and starvation. And keep cheering on the Genocidal War Criminals.

Pot, kettle, black?

Great argument. That will fairly teach him that all those little 5 year old kids were just in the way. Those nuns were directing operations for Hamas too.