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Is planning permission to convert attic to an official bedroom worth it for resale?

  • 18-11-2024 02:45PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭


    I'm going to convert the attic- hip to gable conversion. So, it's a bigger job than most.

    Ideally I'd like to call the attic a bedroom officially for resale purposes.

    Is it worth the effort for planning permission etc? Or does it even matter to buyers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    When you go to sell you will have to provide the planning permission. No permission no sale.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    It's more building regulation compliance that will dictate whether it's a 'bedroom' or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I'm reading the post as he intends to remove the hipped end of the roof and replace it with a gable wall so PP would be required. Maybe the OP would clarify.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,942 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Yes, that's what I understand too. That just does not necessarily automatically = 'bedroom'. Just pointing out that there are many building regulations to be looked at/considered to make it so (as opposed to 'storage').



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah I'd agree. When it comes to a sale in the future, a solicitor is more likely to raise the lack of planning as an issue, and a surveyor is more likely to raise the building regulations compliance as an issue. Both or either of which could hold up a sale. Better to have both sorted as part of the works.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    will house now be 3 storey?

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭to99


    Sorry, my question is really;

    Am I better off to do the process of making the attic an official bedroom (regulation height etc) in order to increase the resale value?

    Because it's an official 4th bedroom as opposed to a 3 bed with a loft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Interesting point.

    When I was looking to buy, I saw several semi-Ds which had an extension in the driveway between themselves and the next house, which also had an extension, resulting in the two houses abutting one another. This led to the houses actually forming a terrace, but they continued to call the house a "semi-D" in the sales' literature. I have to say that I wondered whether they were in compliance with the Trade Descriptions Act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,206 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Thank you for ignoring my question.

    For what its worth, it depends on the neighbourhood.

    I lived in an estate of bungalows in Dublin where nearly all were converted up stairs but didn't meet the head room criteria.

    I converted mine and sold it with two lots of ensuite storage: competing bidders brought it to 15% over what I expected

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭deirdremf


    Possibly not, as buyers will compare the price to other houses in the estate (assuming it is in an estate). You'll likely get some benefit from the 4th bedroom, but probably less than you would hope for.

    Have you considered speaking to a valuer about this?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭to99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭to99


    It's not in an estate it's on a through-road in Drumcondra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭to99


    It's early days, I just bought the house, so the resale won't be for a few years so no haven't spoken to a valuer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Those extensions were likely done at different times, as such unlikely to have a party wall between them therefore not a terrace. May even have been a tiny gap between their new outer walls.

    As long as it wasn’t misrepresented in the ad it’s be fine. Most houses include a front elevation photo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    If the job you want to do can be done in compliance with planning and building regulations it is most likely wisest to do it that way.

    Some "upgrades" to houses can devalue them as intending purchasers see a problem to be sorted out rather than an addition.

    There may also be difficulties with mortgage approval if there is unauthorised development.
    When there is a scarcity of property on the market planning indiscretions may be overlooked but in a recession they can assume major importance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    folks I’m a little bit confused on reading this.
    So we were thinking of converting our attic- no velux to the front, top opening velux to the back but no dormer.

    The contractor we were looking at states no planning is needed as the top opening veluxs comply with standards and I get a full cert of compliance from an engineer at the end of the build.

    Is this correct or are you guys on here thinking I need PP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,792 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    no, you absolutely do not need planning, your builder is correct. And you absolutely should get an engineer to certify.

    However, when you come to sell the house, you cannot call this attic space a “bedroom”, it will still be legally considered as storage, even if you’ve been sleeping there for ten years. This is what most attic conversions involve.

    The OP was about going the extra mile to meet regs for calling the room ‘habitable’ but this isn’t an issue for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    But you said in your first post ,,, "hip to gable conversion". I took that as meaning you were removing a hipped roof and replacing it with a gable wall. If that is the case then you do need PP.

    I mentioned this point earlier but you didnt respond.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That would not require planning. But OP was converting a hip roof to a gable so their conversion would require planning.

    I’d also query the “full cert of compliance”. The engineer and builder will only be certifying the work they do. That doesn’t mean it’s a fully compliant conversion. Is it a two story house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Not me different poster.
    I’ve only just posted.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    However, when you come to sell the house, you cannot call this attic space a “bedroom”, it will still be legally considered as storage, even if you’ve been sleeping there for ten years. This is what most attic conversions involve.

    He can call it a bedroom if it meets regulations. This implies that it cannot meet the requirements, which is incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Yeah at the moment it’s a two storey house.
    So the builder would be putting in stairs into attic and then whatever we can fit up there- office and bathroom.
    As i understand it if we wanted a dormer out the back or a velux out the front, we would need to go for PP



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    If we put a dormer in to the back and front or only the back, would the space be legally a bedroom as opposed to a storage space? I realise we would need PP to do this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Is the builder upgrading existing stairway to meet fire regs? Ie the bedroom doors and other doors that open to the hall and landing to be fire rated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,486 ✭✭✭✭muffler




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,792 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    He clearly described what he’s going to do, it won’t be a bedroom. I don’t know why people feel the need to muddy the waters and confuse posters who come here looking for help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    so this is a list of what’s included.
    It doesn’t say fire rated doors but I will ask this:

    • Structural steel (RSJ)
    • Top hung velux window (fire escape)
    • Floor joist 7″X2″ timber fully suspended off steel (RSJ)
    • Fully floored with OSB flooring boards
    • Storage fully floored with two access doors
    • Water tank moved in storage with access door
    • Stud walls 4″x 2″ fully suspended from steel (RSJ)
    • Staircase fitted 30″ wide to meet the regulation with handrail
    • Stud wall at top of stairs with fire door
    • Fully insulated
    • 800ml double radiator
    • Electrics- 4 double sockets, 5 led spot lights, 2 way switching and smoke head, all wired directly back to fuse board on its own circuit
    • Ceiling area ccross battened and collar ties fitted
    • 1/2 plaster board fitted on ceiling and walls
    • Skim coat finish on all walls and ceiling
    • Attic left ready for painting
    • All rubbish removed from site
    • Final clean up upon completion of work
    • Certificate of compliance upon completion of work from engineer, stating all work is compliant with building regulations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭selephonic


    One of the key regulations in this regard is that an attic bedroom requires adequate means of escape in the case of fire. This could mean upgrades to the doors and partition walls on 1st floor, along with a fire rated staircase. I don't know if this is something that is possible to address later on, if you come to sell. There are possibly other considerations too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Nothing in the first post excluded the conversion from being compliant. Number of stories in the existing house wasn’t even mention.

    Assuming it won't be compliant, even if that assumption is correct, is no help to the poster as they've no idea what the issue it. Much better to confirm, and provide actually usable information - obviously this requires knowing the regs and not just blanket statements.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,198 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    There is nothing listed there that looks like it would be requirements for structure, stairs, bedrooms etc. The issue, as mention, this that the existing stairs from ground to first is not built to the require spec for a 3 story house.

    As I pointe above, they are stating all new work is compliant with building regulations - and I imagine it will be, for example they are installed a fire door to the attic bedroom. But that is not the same as saying the house or the design is fully compliant. Which will come up if you go to sell.

    FWIW addressing it later on is the exactly same level of work as addressing it now. The problematic stairway is existing, so retroactive work in either case. Obviously less disruptive to do it now.

    Post edited by Mellor on


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