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Conor McGregor Megathread *Mod Warning in OP Updated 20th April*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There is absolutely everything wrong with a law saying men can't be raped by a woman. Men deserve equality. I just gave one example and there's many.

    Back to McGregor, a video game company called Io Interactive is pulling all contact with him. Apparently they have worked together in some form. He wouldn't have a huge number of sponsors or business partnerships like this but that's one down for now.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If that doesn't show you how many holes and wrongs the law in this regard has, then nothing will. The law doesn't define everything, nor should it. Rape is as defined by law is only a small portion of what rape actually is. Excluding the fact that women can actually rape men is an absolute farce. Using legal definitions to deny it is nonsense.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭extra-ordinary_


    I'm not sure why you can't see past the legal definition but, if there was no law, there would still be such a thing as rape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    it has nothing to do with equality. It’s physiology/biology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Maybe some of you people have never had sex and that's why it's all such a mystery to you.


    To be honest, I’ve no interest whatsoever in this particular case itself, but some of the stuff that’s being bandied about in this discussion is indeed truly mystifying, like this particular nugget:

    When a man has sex however, the fact of him being able to have sex is in itself evidence of his consent.

    That’s so, so not true:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-64919747.amp

    Nocturnal erections are a natural and healthy part of male sexual function. They serve as an indicator of overall erectile health and are not typically related to sexual arousal or desire. In fact, they are more likely a result of the complex interplay of hormonal, neurological, and vascular factors that regulate the male reproductive system.

    https://dreminozbek.com/en/nocturnal-erections-what-is-it-clinical-significance/



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    What should define rape? Some anonymous person in the internet? Some fella down the pub? There has to be a legal definition or else there cannot be prosecutions.

    There is nothing stopping anyone canvassing for a change in the law to include a definition of a woman raping a man.

    In the meantime there are plenty of other offences under the sexual offences act that could cover the offence.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    N ot

    Not legally there wouldn't, and there would be no way to prosecute it.

    And everyone would have their own definitions, which would mean nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    that’s sexual assault. The discussion is about rape!!! Women in law cannot rape men



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    exactly. Everyone just lob in their own definitions of laws and crimes.. we be grand!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Are you suggesting because a man has an erection it's consensual? Because that's easy to debunk.

    If you're suggesting because a man has to insert well a woman can easily place herself on top and initiate intercourse.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I’m not suggesting anything. I understand the points made. Bottom line: the penis is what pretty much defines this. Males have the penis and it is where the rape occurs.

    I mentioned a scenario that exactly fits your scenarios.

    Male is kinda comatose and female stimulates his penis, guides it into her and the act of sexual intercourse happens with his “mind” not aware.

    He hasn’t “consented” in the verbal/mind sense. She still (in the eyes of the law has not raped him). Because she does not have the penis.

    The current legal definitions are in my view fine. Nothing wrong. If there really was something wrong, there would have been many many campaigning for it to be corrected.

    There are provisions in law related to other sexual assault crimes to cover different scenarios. But the rape definitions are perfectly fine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,096 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Universal common sense should define it. The fact that the exact same exact same is defined as rape here but not in other countries says something. The law fails miserably here. Here is a definition that makes sense to most reasonable people.

    Rape:

    “Any sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the person subjected to such penetration.”

    That definition is inclusive no matter the genders of the perpetrator and victim.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,154 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You don't see many campaigns out there for men in the modern world unfortunately. Especially a particular type of man but in this case we're talking all men.

    I understand your definition and that's the law but it's an absolute disgrace. In the modern unequal world where nobody cares about mens equality good luck getting that law changed.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It has nothing to do with equality, and it has nothing to do with biology/physiology either; it’s just the way the law is written. In effect, whether the offence is rape, or rape under section 4, both offences carry a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. Women can, and have been charged with the offence of rape, most famous one being that of Nora Wall who was wrongfully convicted of rape:

    Wall was the first woman in the history of the Irish State to be convicted of rape, the first person to receive a life sentence for rape and the only person in the history of the state to be convicted on repressed memory evidence.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_Wall

    The sex of the victim notwithstanding, because the victim is only ever appearing as a witness in the States prosecution case.

    I prefer to think a little further outside the local law and try to use logic.


    That’s not just thinking a little further outside the local law, it’s trying to introduce laws which don’t apply in this jurisdiction to suit your own purposes, which is about as illogical and absurd as it possibly gets, notwithstanding the fact that if they were an Irish citizen or resident who committed the offence of rape in another country, extraterritorial jurisdiction may apply:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-people-can-now-be-prosecuted-in-ireland-for-assault-and-rape-committed-abroad-1.3874462



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,684 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can we move on from this discussion, posters are entitled to disagree but the legal definitions of rape are clear so no amount of invented scenarios will change them. If you want to further discuss consent or the laws regarding consent, start a thread on it - we are going far too off topic now. Any issues, PM me. Don't respond to this on thread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Is the case now completely over? is there any ruling/judgment on fees, costs etc still to come?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,960 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Let the floodgates open - hopefully this case has inspired others to do the same

    “And he may also face a battle to save more of his fortune because at least four women have made similar allegations over the past five years - and may now feel empowered to sue him despite police and prosecutors rejecting their cases.”


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14122927/conor-mcgregor-rape-case-floodgates-civil-claims-mma-fighter-court-dublin.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,521 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Conor McGregor did Rape Nikita Hand

    Is the title of this thread correct?

    I thought Conor McGregor wasn't found guilty or even tried for the rape of Nikita Hand. He lost a civil action for damages relating to him being the likely perpetrator of a sexual assault on Nikita Hand.

    Or am I completely misunderstanding the ruling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think there a few ways that it is being described, and I think she brought a civil action for rape, not sexual assault. I don’t think the headline is entirely accurate, but also not totally inaccurate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,143 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    The ruling on fees and costs is due to be Thursday I believe. It will be interesting to see what happens with Laurence's costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    See his wiki. Monster drink and one of the burger places I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭vswr


    Mod Edit: Warning issued for ignoring mod instruction

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,960 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It will - civil cases such as this one rarely get any significant publicity so you’d nearly need to be a legal expert to predict the outcome with any degree of certainty - will they give with one hand and take with another? Hopefully not but likely there will be penalty for a failed civil action of some kind or other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,692 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    SuperValu quietly delisted and removed the stout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭its_steve116




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: Just a friendly reminder that you should offer some explanation of what your link is about. This is especially important with links from X as they don't embed on Boards. If you change the 'x' in the url with 'twitter' and then hit return it will embed.

    I acknowledge that links that are embedded are self explanatory given the topic of the thread and the discussion at the time they were posted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,710 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/6243ba0e-a46e-4f81-afb5-bc1a85927b17/2024_IECA_281.pdf/pdf#view=fitH

    "As is clear from the terms of s. 169(1) of the Legal Services Regulation Act 2015, the default position is that the party who is entirely successful in civil proceedings is entitled to an award of costs against the party who is unsuccessful, unless the court orders otherwise, having regard to the nature and circumstances of the case and the conduct of the proceedings by the parties, including a non-exhaustive list of factors to which the court may have regard. None of the factors identified in the section appear to be of particular relevance in the context of this case"

    It'll be an interesting argument.

    Only two types of people can afford to go to court, the wealthy and the poor.

    The risks with a two week jury trial to someone like the Plaintiff are huge. It could bankrupt the Plaintiff.

    The judge won't want to do it, but Lawrence wasn't found liable so why should he be left with the bill.

    Don't know if judge can have regard to McGregor's offer to pay or not.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Does he still own those drinks companies? Or make any profits from them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,958 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    sold the whisky and made tidy sum. Think still has a stake in stout



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