Israel are going to start WWIII

I drop in on this thread every few weeks. Its amazing that, despite atrocity after atrocity, there remains some pro Israel posters. I believe Netanyahu is delivering the long term destruction of the state of Israel - a terrorist state does not deserve to exist and the demographics in the US means its likely that US support for Israel will eventually be withdrawn - and Israel will quickly be overrun, nukes or no nukes

I see one of Khan's chief advisors at the ICC is a holocaust survivor. I am surprised pro Israel posters have not highlighted this fact as it clearly demonstrates the decision the court took is blatantly anti semitic

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-holocaust-survivor-who-put-his-faith-in-war-crimes-law/

It almost goes completely unnoticed by the Israel supporters that the bombing of Lebanon for example is completely illegal under international law (irrespective of what Hezbollah are up to). It's a sovereign, independent state. Firing huge missiles into Beirut would be the equivalent of our defence forces bombing residential parts of Cardiff or Glasgow on a daily basis or the British dropping missiles on apartment blocks in Cork or Galway.

That would seem particularly dumb, at this time. Israel's reputation is in tatters, being lead now by war criminals. The Iranian strike would be ineffective and this would just act as good PR for Israel.

Israel is completely out of control. After the ICC charges they are like a wounded animal and will attack anything. Their biggest and only ploy now is to try to get the US involved in a war against Iran. They have ran out of ideas on how to do this and are completely cut off by decent countries with leaders who have morals. It wouldn't surprise me to see them bomb their own people and try to blame it on Iran in order to start a war. War criminals in the Israeli government with no low too low it seems.

Israel is totally fcuked.

This war has exposed the IDF as a total paper tiger. After 1 year it has still not defeated a few dudes running around with homemade rocket launchers and RPG's. Their only answer to failing on the battlefield is to engage in a genocide of innocent women and children.

The Israeli's think they can act with impunity but war crimes have a funny way of catching up with people. The Arab world will remember the slaughter that the Israeli's engaged in and I can promise you the retribution is going to be ferocious.

A subtext to all this is that support for Israel is usually linked with right wing governments. Biden, Starmer, Trump, Orban etc all fall within this description.

No, I don't agree. In my opinion, right vs left, Rep vs Dem, Tory vs Labour, Centrist vs Populist political disputes sit on top of a foundation which is entirely pro-zionist. When practically all governments are pro-zionist, right or left, its a mistake in my opinion to assign zionism to any one group or wing. I posted much earlier in this thread that whatever your political sympathies, there is an pro-israeli narrative which has been built for you. So there is pro-zionist arguments for people who lean to the right/populism (like Orban in this case), and there is pro-zionist arguments for people who lean to the left/centrism.

If we look at the current israeli regime, its inescapable that its more beholden to religious zionism (right) and that secular zionism (left) is an ever decreasing minority. But the divide between religious vs secular is just a surface level dispute.

Secular zionists are not the good guys. It was secular zionists who established israel, drove out the Palestinians and committed the atrocities and aggression upon which modern israel was built on. Religious/right or secular/left - it was always zionism that attacked the Palestinians.

The most striking thing about all this is that governments and the MSM are totally going against public opinion on Israel. Conduct an opinion poll on Israel in Europe at the moment and I'd say 80%+ of people would call them a terrorist state which is carrying out genocide.

Anyone who claims there is not an influential "lobby" at play here wouldn't have much credibility.

Even the lack of opinion polls on the matter in MSM is telling.
Saw recently that one third of young Jewish people in the US sympathise with HAMAS!

There has to be more to the slavish loyalty to Israel at all costs shown by politicians than simple funding.
If the Epstein agenda was compromising influential people, how many similar schemes have gone on undetected and are continuing today?

If any 'good' can come out of the horrendous tragedy in Gaza, it is that it is showing us just how hugely compromised western governments and the MSM (especially in the US, UK and Germany) are in their relationship with the Zionists.

It has come as quite the shock to see how much control they have.

It would be interesting if any of the Hamas leaders to be arrested were still alive and if western democracies with equivocate about arresting them.

It is a dangerous precedent to set. It basically gives the green light to all sorts of regimes to act with impunity if ICC rulings can be ignored.

The unfortunate fact is that allies of America believe they can get away with anything. Be interesting if America will debase itself so much that they starting punishing Western Allies for supporting the ICC.

It's a very important point. If civilian places throughout Gaza and Lebanon are legitimate targets and there is a supposed "war" on, then civilian places in Tel Aviv and even in the UK and US equally become legitimate targets. The assorted fruitcakes who are supporting Israel don't seem aware that this is making the world a much more dangerous place….in their deeply distorted view of the world, the 9/11 attacks become justified.