Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Thanks, so why do Hamas bother firing very expensive rockets and missiles etc at Tel Aviv if they are essentially going to be intercepted?

I don’t know what you’ve understood from what I just said but it doesn’t mean that any country can just declare that another country was about to attack them and strike pre-emptively.

If two countries have not declared a war then the country that strikes first has almost certainly committed an illegal act unless there’s evidence that it really did simply pre empt a planned attack.

So I don’t see how that could possibly apply to Iran which has been waging a proxy war on Israel for decades.

Now if Iran had attacked Iraq just before Iraq attacked them, then yes that would have been a pre-emptive attack, and as such, justifiable.

Israel has been killing Iranians for decades too - from military personnel to scientists

With this in mind Iran would have been justified in striking Israel pre emptively If it has knowledge Israel was going to attack its embassy in Syria. I am done with your bad faith posting. Bye now.

Yep

Nothing from the lot on far left who cheer for Russia and use this dumpster fire in Gaza to argue points in this thread with stupid comparisons with Ukraine war (the whole we hate US hence we hate Ukraine line of thinking) about Russia attempting to sink a neutral ship carrying grain from Ukraine destined for Lebanon and Gaza

Edit; make that three ships now with innocent sailors dying, latest ship was destined for Egypt

The article says

It may also simply be looking for new ways to weaken Ukraine. “If you can weaken Ukraine economically, that reduces its ability to resist,” Gorenburg said.

Rather than targeting ports, the “intimidation of commercial shippers is a much better way to do that”.

The grain deal was terminated in July 2023

Don't know what's been happening since then.

It seems horrendous to attack ships going to Gaza and a shame the Russians offer no explanation as per article.

Hopefully aide will get through to Gaza soon and lots of it.

Israeli security minister Ben-Gvir: Israel should annex West Bank in response to ICC arrest warrants

A member of Benjamin Netanyahu’s coalition government has called for Israel to annex the West Bank in response to the international criminal court issuing an arrest warrant for Israel’s prime minister, who is accused of war crimes.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, the national security minister said the court was “antisemitic from beginning to end” and the decision “an unprecedented disgrace.”

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Totally normal response. Just annex the West Bank. Screw the ICC.

arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant and Mohamed Deif over alleged war crimes

Great to see the names of such eminent gentlemen in the same sentence, Very fitting.

Gazans are all innocent victims of the bloodthirsty Israeli's. Thats the only narrative that matters.

First genocide in history where the alleged victims could put an end to it tomorrow by releasing civilians including small children that the "victims" are holding hostage.

Is there anything comparable that the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto could have done?

You're lying. The Israelis have said many many times that releasing the hostages will not end the attacks. Their stated primary aim is to completely wipe out Hamas and their ability to ever reform.

(Their actual primary aim is to clear out most of Gaza so it can be settled by Zionists)

The Jews were horrifically targeted, and suffered in years before and during WW2.

That doesn't give their supposed current day leaders and military the right to attempt to do the same.

And I've no time for anyone who attempts to absolve them of their crimes because of what their ancestors suffered at different hands.

Never Again was supposed to be for everyone.

"Never Again was supposed to be for everyone."

I don't think it was Meir Kahane's intention that it was 'supposed to be for everyone.' It was about preventing another Holocaust.

https://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/history-ideas/2017/06/what-is-the-source-of-the-phrase-never-again/

I wasn't doing that though. I was comparing the two in terms of how to end them. Could the Jews have released some German citizens to end their own plight? Could Hamas?

It is ridiculous (for that and other reasons) to call the events in Gaza a genocide, and cheapens the concept. It's a war in which civilians are paying a terrible price, but one which the losing side chose to inflict on their own people, and one which they could end tomorrow. They don't want to because it suits them to use their own people are pawns.