Irish General Election - Friday, November 29th *Read OP for Mod Warnings*

FF ruled out government with FG before the 2020 election. They will form a government with SF if that's the only option - and it could be if FG lose seats and a stable government couldn't be formed with them

I’m intrigued on your voting preferences. From a few posts I’ve seen from you I’d say I pretty closely align to your economic views. Tax system far too penal for mid to higher income workers. Government spending out of control etc.

Just generally a country that has moved too gar left economically.

If I’m interpreting your position correctly, what party do you actually want to get in? Or will you just vote independents?

I would find it very difficult to take anything Labour and Bacik say serious. Labour will at best retain what seats they had in the previous election and that is with the decimation of the Green vote, there will be a big protest vote to independents and if people mange their vote for independents well we could have the highest number of independents in our history.

In the lifetime of the last FG FF and Green government

We have gone from a rejection rate for asylum claims of 80% to a acceptance rate of 80%.

IPAS numbers going from 3500 and a white paper on solving direct provision which had a capital cost in 2020 of around 3/4s of billion for accommodation for 3500 asylum seekers double that capital cost now to 1.5 billion for the same with any state involvement.

How much does this capital project cost now for 20,000? No figures have been published? How much net is it costing per calendar year ? Is Banty McAntee going to be a billionare on the backs of the Irish taxpayer?

How much has accommodation cost in the past 3 years? How much has social welfare cost? How much social welfare is spent in the following years on housing?

What are the long term prospects for asylum seekers getting on the property ladder if Irish people are emigrating because of the housing crises? WHen IPAS is processed where are these people going to live? Are they going on council housing lists?

The IPAS figures have gone from 3500 to in 2022 15,000 2023 15,000 and 2024 projected 20,000. This is before there is any reunification requests of which in 2024 there has been 4,000 apllications. Applications not numbers there could be multiples of that figure in real numbers.

SO how are they tough on asylum immigration?

The government Help to but scheme has helped 50,000 applicants to the tune of 1.1 billion since 2017. They will have spent more on IPAS accomadation in this calendar year that the entire HTB scheme.

The HTB scheme helped Irish citizens by refunding them the tax they have paid in the previous 4 years…… surely, surely there has to be some level of self awareness from politicians that as much as we are a tolerant and giving nation when we see our own sons and daughters emigrating because they cant afford a house there has to be some accoutabilty on how all our taxes are spent.

You had pull factors despite Roderics insistence he didn't tweet out that own door accommodation would be available the evidence is there to be seen published in the national newspapers

On top of that we had the first amnesty on illegal migrants in the country again a significant softening of immigration policy from Helen McAntee's department.

You have leaked memos from the department of justice saying the majority of the claims are economic migrants and not genuine asylum claims.

You have Helen herself on the national airwaves saying that people were fleeing poverty to come to Ireland - firstly there are over 2 billion people living in poverty in the world - nearly a billion living in extreme poverty - if that were a condition for granting asylum then we and every western country would have to prepare for a mass influx and the collapse of their entire budget housing health and society in general. Our politicians moral obligation is not to the world it is to the citizens (all citizens including recent migrants) of Ireland. Having a secure strict border 10 years ago wasnt far right it was a perfectly acceptable form of governance the problem is weak ideological far left wing nonsense that has invaded every aspect of the current government.

We are so profoundly captured by virtuousness, progressivism left wing ideological nonsense that our last 2 ministers for children have not been parents - now anyone who has had a child will understand how your perspective on everything changes when you become a parent that would surely be an important factor in the ministry for children.

And yet there are people here saying FF and FG are right wing parties. If they are right wing god help us if Labour SD Sinn fein or PBP get in. The only alternative to the mess that is there at the moment is to vote independent. There is no viable opposition to the larger parties they proved that during the referendum in March.

FF will need to finish within 5 seats of FG to have any hope of including a rotating Taoiseach in the deal,

There are no rules written into the Constitution about how this plays out; if FG are ten seats ahead of FF and still want to offer them a rotating taoiseach deal that's entirely their call. And I believe they would; anything to keep FF out of the arms of the Shinners…

Jaysus, talk about gullible.

Jesus, now instead of providing anything at all to back up your ridiculous claim, you're now asking other posters to prove a negative. 🙄

No idea what you're trying to say here, but you made the claim that EU workers get medical cards in Ireland, regardless of income. You back it up, or be shown for a.liar.

Thats the kind of comment that only comes from a SF supporter; and one that doesnt understand that SF are a left wing socialist party ffs!

Of the 3 major parties in Ireland, SF are always going to be the most pro asylum party, because they are the most left leaning.

Every non-SF voter knows this and understands why SF avoided the question on asylum immigration for as long as they possibly could, because they knew their core vote base wouldn't like their answer.

I think the penny has dropped for most SF voters by now, but clearly not all, judging by your post.