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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So I logged into my university library and noticed something.

    The words "peer reviewed" do not appear on the description of the Foreign Affairs journal which published Mr Mearsheimer's article.

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    So if I dial down to the first one directly on topic which is listed as 'peer reviewed',

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    It doesn't match any of Mearsheimer's three points. It kindof comes close on Mearsheimer's third one, about the Western policy of encouraging democratic concepts as national governence systems, but diverges on the conclusion from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    Johnson actually flew out before the talks were finished. The talks failed because Russian demands were unacceptable to Ukraine.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    'Peaceful settlement' in Russian is much the same as 'land grab'.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,392 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And a country under tyrannical occupation is not a country at 'peace'. There is more to peace than merely the absence of warfare.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    Yes. And as for Yanukovych - he was a Russian spy who lied to the people and betrayed Ukraine so they got him out. That is not a coup, as someone called it, it is swift justice. You don't have to have a coup to get a criminal out.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,313 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Just a reminder of what the occupiers have done to the people of Ukraine.

    People defending these occupiers are quite simply disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Really? I thought it was RuZZian for, "I kill you."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,635 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The OP that claimed to have peer-reviewed articles published has run and hid when this was brought up. 30 seconds to see that a re-publication of something from Financial Times isn't exactly "peer reviewing."

    I wonder what journal peer-reviewed @engineerws articles and how @engineerws defines "Peer Review."

    I doubt we get an answer, they're probably off on telegram asking their handlers what disinfo to promote next. I think the Bingo card will get a few more spaces filled in, though Clare Daly is no longer a useful idiot so I expect we need a new square there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Mannesmann




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭vswr


    @engineerws … please link your work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Russia's definition of peace is rather like the definition of Calgacus as quoted by Tacitus. ''They make a desert and call it peace''



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Russian interest Rate at 21% with the ruble deteriorating. Anyone wanna take a bet what new interest rate they'll announce this year to counter that?

    I'm gonna go aggressive and say 25%!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Who would have known threatening half the world with Nukes and firing ICBMs at your neighbors wouldn’t breed confidence to the outside world in your country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    A bit of chatter about this (ATACMS)

    https://x.com/MaimunkaNews/status/1860425997448835200

    Post edited by zv2 on

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Seems there's never been a year like it across Russia of such mass poisonings in schools in Russia.

    Looks like it's the quality of food bought/available on tighter budgets and changes in school staff.

    This case reported yesterday has now risen to 60.

    interfax-russia.ru/siberia/news/okolo-50-chelovek-obratilis-za-medpomoshchyu-posle-otravleniya-v-kanske



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Scumbag behavior,as usual we have a good idea of who is behind it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


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    Scally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    There are no "ethnic Russians" nor "Russian speaking" supporters of Putin & Russia left in free Ukraine to liberate & / or enslave.

    Because all of the above people have turned against Putin & his murderous regime & evil war, & joined together with their fellow Ukrainian citizens & are involved in the fight & resistance against the evil hordes that wish to destroy them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Steven Seagal appears to be passing his knowledge onto others fellow Russians.

    https://x.com/thefl0orislava/status/1860380165919932623?s=46

    Is this the escalation Putin threatened us with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A good few business people in recent weeks and days are being hit big time by the Russian authorities for money.

    x.com/SibirPost/status/1858756049777684700



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Losing Vuhledar has led to this.

    Not only is this town an anchor in the southern defense line it also was the staging group for their southern counter attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    2014 was a revolution after many months of protest. It's true that many western politicians joined the protests, but they did not instigate them. The population had already had a revolution in 2004 against an election that had been rigged by Yanukovych, who was PM in 2004. The Ukrainian Supreme Court ordered the re running of the election, which was won by Yuschenko, whom the Russians had poisoned causing disfigurement. That is the background or Russian interference in Ukraine.

    Given our own history and long experience of imperial propaganda during British rule, we should see through Russian propaganda designed to delegitimise Ukraine, and to revive colonialism. Russia is doing in Ukraine the things that Cromwell did in Ireland in the 17th century. A collapse of Ukraine would lead another refugee crisis on the scale of 2022, and that's the last thing we need.

    Also I recommend people inform themselves about who on social media are well known Russian propagandists so as to avoid falling for their propaganda, which while often claiming concern for our safety, is more concerned with that of Putin and the success of Russian imperialism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Exactly the same Modus Operandi used by the NKVD under Stalin, as seen in the Baltic States, Moldavia and Eastern Poland in 1940: the decapitation of governing, military, administrative and civil society by mass murder and now resurrected by Putain. Example-Katyn Forest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Mearsheimer arguments don't make sense. He argues that The West is to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. His argument is that due to "NATO expansion" Russia had no choice but also expand into Ukraine to counter this. This argument is flawed for a few reasons:

    1. NATO is a defensive pact. It was set up to counter the threat of Russia. If one country gets attacked all countries have to treat it as if they were attacked and come to their defense. As a result, it is only a threat to Russia if Russia attacks a NATO country (bar the exception of their action in Kosovo but that's another argument).
    2. If Russia was so fearful of a NATO on its borders, they would not have invaded Ukraine, as invading Ukraine would cause it to have even more border areas with NATO. Not only did Russia annex the areas of Ukraine under its control, thus bringing it closer to NATO countries anyway, it caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO too. Finland has a huge border with Russia. Pushing neutral Finland and Sweden to join NATO has also made NATO stronger military.
    3. If Russia was so fearful of NATO on its borders, why did Putin move its army away from the Finnish borders after they joined NATO?
    4. He speaks like NATO is a monolith with a single point of leadership that could decide someday on a whim to invade Russia. NATO is a defensive pact of 32 countries. It would require a big change in its charter for this to occur. This would require ALL 32 countries to agree to this. We can see how a smaller number of countries in the EU has difficulty in reaching an unanimous decisions relating to Ukraine, let alone a much bigger decision to invade Russia.
    5. He never looks at this from the Ukraine's perspective. Ukraine never wanted to be invaded. 90% of voters in Ukraine voted to leave Russia in the 90's. What gives Russia a right to invade a sovereign country? NATO is a voluntary organisation. Ukraine did want to join NATO. Its their choice to join NATO. Ukraine never had a choice whether it wanted to get invaded or not.
    6. He points out in one of his talks that very little academics share his views. This should be a warning to those following him. This makes his claims extraordinary, and thus require extraordinary evidence. Funnily enough, he points to Kissenger as someone who shares his views. Kissenger in 2014 did share his views, saying that Ukraine should remain neutral and not join NATO. But Kissenger changed his views in 2023 and said that Ukraine should join NATO.

    The reason Russia invaded Ukraine is that they wanted more land. Putin wants to make a new cold-war sized Russia.

    TLDR: Mearsheimer is an eejit.



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