Cold Case Review of Sophie Tuscan du Plantier murder to proceed. **Threadbans lifted - see OP**

Yes, the wine bottle is down as lost.

https://www.thejournal.ie/grave-concern-over-missing-evidence-in-du-plantier-murder-investigation-4161933-Aug2018/

The whole AGS case points to bailey. There is no other case or files on anyone else with DPP. So let's focus on bailey...we are here for 30 years ..so what do you want to discuss...what evidence do you have that places Ian B at scene...

”Pro-Bailey”

What a pile of absolute codswallop to label people that just because we challenge the complete lack of evidence against Bailey and the incompetence of the Gardai involved in the sham investigation .

But but he was arrested by da Gardai - he must be guilty 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

The vast majority of this thread is repeated nonsense.. I don't think Bailey murdered Sophie, but I would consider him a despicable individual that I would have no bother seeing locked up.

If we cut out all the BS and innuendo, we are left with just the facts. And the facts are very interesting:

1. We know Sophie was alive shortly before midnight (talking to Hubby)
2. We know she was presumed dead at 10am the following morning.

The facts to be considered are these:

1. The residence is located in the backend of nowhere - This may suggest a person familiar with Sophie / The residence.
2. The gate was open - Sophie was a stickler for ensuring the gate was drawn.
3. Why would the gate be open? - Only reason would be to allow a car to enter?
4. Tyre marks were found inside the gate area / Brushed under the carpet
5. Footprints were discovered inside the gate area - Akin to doc Martin boots I believe? / Forgotten about
6. Who would be driving a car into (or leaving) the gated area between midnight and 10am? (Easy one)
7. The murderer was not prepared to murder - It was an unplanned event. (This is central to murder?)
8. Unplanned murders (especially as brutal as this one), are temper driver. - This strongly suggests the victim knew the murderer, which suggests there was an emotional bond here (previous resentment etc)
9. Why did the murderer need to return to the door and try to access the property, or return to pull the door to?
10. The unopened expensive wine is relevant to this murder

The answer to this murder lies in the locality - Of that I am convinced.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-murder-a-discarded-unopened-bottle-of-wine-re-examined/41001318.html

Looks like it was found? 2021

If this wine bottle really has turned up, it could be absolutely central.

Of course, it MIGHT be an absolutely random, nothing-to-do-with-the-murder bit of discarded litter.

But given the location and the timing, and the nature of the bottle itself, I think it is reasonable to associate it with the nearby French lady who visited Ireland in 1996 and never went home.

And she bought it for a reason, I suppose, and wouldn't have chucked it away unopened - who does that?

So - maybe - someone took it from her house and then threw it away. Now, why would anyone do that?

Oh yes. Much to consider.

You`re not very good at reading between the lines are you?

"Speaking of which, does the wine bottle that Sophie was drinking from on the night before (glass on mantlepiece) show up anywhere in the photos or the exhibits. Which type was it?"

There were two wine bottles by the fridge in the small rear kitchen, one unopened the other had some wine left in it and had a stopper. Unfortunately any photos of that room are not in the public domain and it looks like the posters who have Bailey's files @bjsc and @PolicemanFox have left the building, which is not surprising seeing the shítshow the thread has become. However there is a 3day window of opportunity now, so one of them might pop back in here and let us know.

Ok I'm officially lost on what point you're trying to make.

There's hundred of pages on this thread alone. There were up to 50 suspects according to the gardai most of which have been discussed on here, (not in order of importance) some unknown (e.g. DNA candidate, Marie Farrells driving buddy, Ford fiesta man, mystery dinner candidate, peeping Tom, detective from Banty, shop man, hitman), many known, who knew Sophie fairly well, (Alfie +Shirley), Leo (+wife), Finbarr (+Hellens), Daniel (+affair lady) by proxy, Bruno), Ungerers, and then other known people who had minimal interactions with her, but still engaged at some point (Wolney & other weird guy, Bailey, Marie Farrell, Chris Farrell). Add all of those and associates you're over half way there.

All of the above have been discussed yeh? Some more than others, some more capable and likely than others, but only one did it, and every one else is innocent and are unlucky to be even in the public domain.

Unfortunately Bailey is still 99% of discussion in real life

Right........sooo what other suspects have you discussed here. You seem to only want to discuss that in your opinion Bailey definitely done it. I can't remember you offering any other theory or suspects.

I would imagine people who travelled with her in the past or who knew her well, would be able to provide a reasonably accurate description of her drinking habits.

If she wasn’t an excessive drinker, then being French you could probably expect 2-3 standard home glasses of wine per day mainly with food or when reading or writing- so that would be approx 2/5ths to 3/5ths of a bottle of wine per day

Ive discussed all the other suspects if you look back over the thread.

You still have not bothered to answer my question. Please give us your wisdom on the other suspects and other theories you may have other than Bailey?

Please tell us what you mean by your quote below - Please clarify the point you are trying to make?

I get you like people to be very careful and particular about their posts, and all I can say is I appreciate that you do think carefully about what you're writing. Unfortunately I don't have that same level of discipline, and sometimes make more throwaway statements. I think this is pretty common on anonymous forums really. If you try to take what everyone says as their gospel, or that they have you in mind when they are writing it, I imagine it could get quite frustrating. At the end of the day, it's probably not productive to pick apart ever detail, but it's a free world.

It goes without saying that the gardai did look at up to 50 suspects, and would have had them in a hierarchy early on in the investigation. Probably for the first few days at least, Bailey was not at the top of the list.

The methods and investigations that the gardai went through to eliminate others and put him at the top of the list, have never been released to the public. However the methods of the gardai that have been released to the public, have been shambolic, and amateuresque. Downright embarrassing for the most part. It does not take any imaginative leap to recognise when you put these two things together, their original elimination methods were also obviously shambolic. This is well-grounded supposition. It also doesn't mean they were incorrect in their assessment (and Bailey was the murderer), but it does warrant discussion, and that discussion doesn't necessitate a conspiracy theory.

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