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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    This is sort of interesting,his hands being possibly digitally altered in this press release.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    it has always being Putins contention that there's an "enemy" threatening Russia, and he is the only one who can protect Russian and Russians. And he has used this strategy to take and hold on to power since he was elected. But this "enemy" will be his last one, he bit off more than he can chew, and now its lodged in his throat, choking him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    🤣 We are back to this again. I remember a couple of years ago internet "experts" had ones of him holding onto a table and it was evidence of Parkinson's or something. "Weeks to live" etc…

    Come on folks, the guys an utter bell end but this type of stuff really doesn't do anyone any favours. It's just wishful thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Back to where it will all be decided. Looks like a full collapse is now taking place in the Southern Donbass. South of Kuakhove a big advance towards the town of Velyka Novosilka is in progress. Probably looking at this one, Kuakhove, Torestsk and Chasiv Yar all falling by the end of the year.

    Currently over 170 settlements taken this year and not one in two years captured by the Ukrainians. Quite incredible where that " stalemate " narrative came from.

    velk.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    A lot of Ukrainian telegram channels have been shouting about this for the last fortnight or so. Seem like the sheer numbers of bodies the Russians are throwing at this now is having an effect. Seem like losing hundreds of men per day isn't an issue for Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    As the usual explainer for anyone new to the thread, recently it's been "opened", which has allowed a lot of Putin supporters back in who relish posting bad news for Ukraine or positive news for Russia (and concern trolling). Some have broken character but most are careful to mask it despite the obvious

    Not inherently something bad, discussion is good, but worth pointing out. Typically there's an uptick in it when we get some good news e.g. US missiles or storm shadows hitting something in Russia

    Speaking of which, there are rumours from several sources that a Russian general was potentially killed in the strike in Kursk (along with 18 others, and 33 wounded)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Reminder to post your sources of the collapse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Naturally they are originally Russian sources, I recognise the graphics from Telegram

    That said they are making gains, there are widespread meatwave attacks (backed by artillery and air) going on before winter sets in

    Latest ISW reports

    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-21-2024

    Russians losing a lot of men doing so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    New York Times. November could easily be 180 - 200 square miles.

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    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Yes, the rate of territorial change in favour of Russia is accelerating as Ukraine can no longer hold the frontlines. Ukraine needs to position for a deal very soon. That's starting. In a very public way this week Zelensky stated that Crimea is no longer a military objective but a diplomatic one. That is really important signalling.

    That's the first meaningful concession on the journey to a settlement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ukraine doesn't have much say.

    As the invader, it's Putin who decides, and if you want to believe everything in the public sphere he has signaled repeatedly he has no interest in settlement

    The moment Ukraine signals through back-channels they want a deal or a settlement, in the current state, that's a red rag to Putin.

    We're all pretty much waiting for Trump to get in and see if anything occurs from that. He's likely to favour Putin, but since he's unstable no one can make that call yet.

    Russia will grind on, Ukraine doesn't have any other choice but to cede and make it as difficult for Russia as possible (plus wait for harsher weather and Trump)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Isn't there some quote by Putain that describes that MO? Paraphrasing…''We will invite the West in, take everything we can get from them and then turn around and show them our asses''.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭carveone


    Yes, that's the point. As the Loafing Oaf said above "Putin is seeing (sic) to be 'doing something' in response to Biden's granting permission to Ukraine to fire American missiles into Russia". Which I'd agree with.

    If you take the Trump line, Biden was choosing to allow ATACMS on the basis that Russia might be dumb enough to respond by attacking US personnel in Ukraine, thus messing with whatever Trump chooses to do when he takes power (whatever that turns out to be, which is not necessarily what he says it is now, Trump being Trump).

    Evidently Russia was not going to be quite that stupid but presumably, like Iran, there was pressure to look forceful without doing anything really problematic. Thus the whole hand wavey intermediate ballistic missile, isn't it great, approach.

    However, if it looks like an ICBM and flies like one (and probably smells like one too) it's probable NORAD's early warning system might say it's an ICBM, leading to significant amounts of freaking out. Thus, as the Guardian said on Thursday:

    Russia is required by a treaty to inform the US of the launch of certain kinds of ballistic missiles, in the hopes of preventing an escalatory ladder that could lead to an all-out nuclear war.

    Leaving it until the last 30 minutes (officially) is part of the looking hard angle I suppose. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the Kremlin.

    As an aside, the British seem to have unerring timing in their Storm Shadow greenlighting. One day after the US seems like "We were waiting for Daddy Biden to let us" rather than "look, we're helping". Which makes them look like pretty submissive to the US, all things considered. They also seem to have missed the bit where Biden is gone in like 8 weeks. I can imagine a new Trump administration might be a bit p'ed off at what they see as British support for Biden's attempt to wreck Trump’s peace agenda in Ukraine (again, whatever that is). Luckily Trump is well known for his calm demeanour and not taking things personally.

    This could lead to awkward meetings where the Brits are looking for some nice trade deal on the basis of their "special relationship" and Trump tells them where to stuff their relationship. It might have been more prudent to wait and see.

    To be a fly on the wall on that meeting too. Although knowing Trump we'll all get to know what happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Hopefully the Ukrainian generals don't call any frontline troops "concern trolls" when they point out the fact they are in trouble and losing ground. Burying the heads in the sand and not reporting facts is ridiculous, it's vital for them to hold ground or retreat when necessary to prevent loses they can't afford. Everyone here wants the same outcome, the Russians sent back over the border with a bloody nose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Apologies in advance as no positive news is allowed anymore. Are we happy with how Kursk is holding? Russia's going to lose an awful lot trying to take this back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    You know when you corner a rat it gets more viscous… does this explain how Russia is acting right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    Ukraine said many months ago that Crimea would be returned without military means.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Picture of a former nursery school teacher Natalia Hrabarchuk after she shot down a Russian cruise missile

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭Deub


    The rate of human losses for Russia is accelerating as Russia can no longer get adequate weapons. Russia needs to position for a deal very soon. That's starting. In a very public way Putin went to North Korea to get some more military personnel and also bought weapons. That is really important signalling.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭Mannesmann


    Looking like the Ruble is entering freefall territory. If this happens Russia won't be able to continue with this war or any war. Ukraine just needs to hold on and strike their oil and resources.

    https://x.com/joncoopertweets/status/1859964462004056206



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They are completely fckued if Saudi Arabia decide to completely cut the price of a barrel. Which they might.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Just like the Chinese who forced companies to set up time-limited jvs and engage in technology transfer, which has now served it purpose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I hope you’re right, but why do you think it’s in “free fall “? It has just been steadily declining as the Central Bank doesn’t have the funds to prop it up.

    Of course it’s very bad for the Russian economy and drives inflation up and reduces standard of living. But Putin and his mates don’t care too much about that.

    Definitely agree that Ukraine needs to target oil resources and refineries. Their best chance of winning is for Russian economy to collapse and no more funds for military activities or soldiers’ salaries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    David McWilliams has fallen head first into conspiracy theories now

    Claiming on his last podcast that the call between Scholz and Putin was to split up Europe (including Ukraine and Baltics) in a secret Molotov Rubentrop type pact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,564 ✭✭✭Azatadine




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    No he didn't. He speculated that Scholz called Putin to discuss the terms for Ukraine's surrender. There was no talk of splitting the Baltics.

    McWilliams can he be a bit lose with words but the jest of it is that Scholz can see the writing is on the wall without US support so Germany is trying to get ahead of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Perhaps Scholz should take a look at the writing on the side of Russian tanks and helicopters

    “To Berlin” they say often next to Zwastika


    Scholz is on his way out after his (pro Ukraine coalition partners walked away) and main opponents the CDU are strongly pro Ukraine

    There’s **** all he can do, never mind try to give up chunks of another country

    Anyways Putin’s reply the following day was the largest drone and missile attack on Ukraine, even a thicko like Scholz would understand that

    I linked to the pod, people can make up their own mind about his ramblings not backed by any evidence



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