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Why do companies want to return to the office?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    My experience is it's across all levels of management not simply at one tier. Not everyone in management has the same opinion with it either. Some like it, some do not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    it boils down to what’s in your contact, who cares if you are a great worker at home, you didn’t sign a wfh contract. People moaning about long commutes, is this the same commute you did 5 days a week before? Or did you foolishly choose to live further away from your office knowing wfh wasn’t in your contract?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There are plenty of people who have been working from home for years now with no problems.

    What's happening now is it's become yet another tedious generational and ideological battle. It's essentially

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    We can all see now that those long commutes are just not necessary. And the more people we force back to offices, the more that commute just grows for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    I think as well that a lot of CEOs are typically older people that don’t want to embrace the future.

    Eventually younger generations will move into those roles and working from home will take over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    More likely you have a mix of people in different jobs and roles all talking at cross purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,635 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The employee does not determine whether their commute is necessary or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,887 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You're not working you're mentoring

    But mentoring is working. It isn't captured by "KPIs" but it's absolutely critical to a company's success and to employee development. A huge problem for a lot of younger people who've spent a lot of their career working remotely is that they've missed out on that mentoring, even if they don't see it as a problem. How to function in a team environment is a critical life skill and you just don't get it sitting at home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,887 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Whatever about bringing existing employees back, in my industry (pharma), almost every job being advertised now is for on-site work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    Course it’s necessary, you signed up for a job that’s far away from you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    it is a perk yes, but then a lot of company’s at the moment don’t feel like it’s a perk worth fully offering. Maybe you are right but there has been a marked revolt against it in the last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well ya I get that. I have never had a job that wasn't "hands on" so it's not part of my world. I feel lots of people in my situation are weirdly hostile to people not in that situation.

    I have many friends who were work from home long before the term ever entered the general public. Now their companies are getting passive aggressive about "coming in" and are inundated with nonsense from armchair critics about how "lazy and unproductive" they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    “Maybe I'm an old fart stuck in my ways but a single phone call of 5mins can replace an email thread with 20 people cc'ed 90% of the time”

    This and also I think people misuse Teams and email anyway - because the technology is there they feel they have to use it as the no 1 go to when in fact a phone call is easier far more productive and quicker - it’s when being in the office can help - you can ask colleagues questions and sort issues much quicker - I’m not advocating 9-5 5 days a week here but even once a week can keep relationships strong and get complex issues sorted much quicker



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    it’s not being smug I just have zero sympathy for someone who was dumb enough to move a far distance away from their place of work before making sure it was in writing about wfh. Hybrid is decent and seems to be the way a lot of companies are going. Even a long commute one or two days is not asking a whole lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,874 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's the whole, teams call mantra of saying things like "hi Flinty, how is the wife?" to everybody rather than just saying it once in the morning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    this is not happening in droves at all though and sure if less and less companies offer it… where are they all going to go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭AlanG


    wfh may b fine for established employees but it makes bringing on new staff very difficult and is bad for innovation. If your job can be done 100% wfh then it is likely to be replaced by AI in the next few years.

    The most successful companies in the world havent invested in staff facilities, free food, engagement, loyalty, gyms etc. for no reason. It reduces staff turnover and increases staff loyalty. If WFH was more profitable they would not be making you go back into the office. Managers have to think about the long term strategic benefits to the company.

    Very little innovation happens over ZOOM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    I can see it from both points of view. I definitely prefer being in the office as I do feel collaboration and the team atmosphere are better in person. However i see that some people work better and can concentrate better at home when they aren't in a big open plan office.

    Personally i prefer being in the office as it lets me have a better work life balance as as soon as i leave the office i am off work.

    For the people that promoted hybrid. Do you have a dedicated home office or do you work from the kitchen table? It always seems the worst option for me. Can't live far from the office for cheaper housing but need to have an extra room in your house as an office which greatly increases your costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    I think there's benefits to both. I work at a job that requires meetings and showing things. And during Covid wfh, the cycle time for the reviews that I do (which are tracked) were 1.5 times longer than pre-Covid in office. Something that I could have popped to someone's desk for & asked about instead took a few emails spaced over a couple of days. We do hybrid now as it's help cut down on travel but kept the essence there.

    Office days are good for getting some of those interactions done not on a screen & getting updates as to what's going on in the office. I definitely suffer from Teams fatigue & can't deal with all the back to back on screen calls that took place during Covid wfh. I also like the separation of home & a work a little bit more so 2 days wfh & 3 days in office is good.

    I do think it can all depend though on your own work circumstances. Even if all your team is in a different country (as was my case for over a year), it's still good to see the colleagues in the office your based & build those relationships. But if your job can primarily be done from home & your company is comfortable with that, maybe that's a 1 day week in the office to build those connections.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,109 ✭✭✭brokenbad


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭whippet


    the amount of times I ask people for updates on stuff and they say - i've a quick call scheduled in with X, Yor Z and will get the update from them. In the intrim I pop upstairs and in 60 seconds I get the quick update that was waiting on a scheduled call. It's crazy the time that is wasted by people now accepting a culture of everything needs to be scheduled in.

    Before covid we'd have regular client updates - once per month. Usually entailed one or two of us popping out to the customer for a meeting. Meet with the key stakeholders (one or two people). Since Covid and the scourge of teams meetings - we now typically have about 6 people from each organisation on the call that takes twice as long and is half as productive. Even requires a PM to take notes, minutes and actions. Stuff that was never an issue before.

    I will take anecdotal evidence from my organisation with just over 300 employees - those who are in the office more often than not are better performers and make up about 80% of the internal promotions. Take what you want from this - but it is clearly evident where I work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The post I was replying to clearly distinguished between their work being at their own desk and the work mentoring at other people desks.

    You've both indicated it's not quantified or planned. That speaks for itself.

    You're now seem to be inferring it's impossible to work as a team unless co-located. I've often worked with people on different continents at the same time. So I'll agree to disagree on that one.

    Post edited by Flinty997 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's weird if you do that everytime you start a conversation with people you work with daily.

    Its also weird if you only do that on teams and not meeting someone in person who you don't talk to regularly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Tell me you don't have metrics without telling me you don't have metrics..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23 FlipFlopAgain


    I don't buy the pension argument. Most pension funds are well diversified, and commercial property will be typically less than 10% of the overall holdings. Any drops in commercial property values are more than offset by rises in share prices over the last 4 years.

    And why would an individual company decide to keep its own rent bill high in order to just marginally increase the value of some commercial property fund. It's highly unlikely that a company's pension fund is invested just in the property that the company is renting. That would be extremely reckless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I know what you mean. It's much faster for me to walk around our buildings in different physical locations and arrive unannounced for an update. Rather than giving them time to collate the information and a five minute phone call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,278 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doesn't make sense to me. Probably a company has long term to leases and penalties for leaving early. I expect just waiting to see how things developed before making a decision on buildings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 270 ✭✭GHendrix


    It will eventually. People got a taste for it during Covid and realised how unnecessary all the commuting is. 5 days a week in an office is already dead.

    CEOs are obviously clinging on to what they’ve known for years and years. They want to be able to see their staff.

    But eventually they’ll retire etc and younger, more forward thinking people will take over.

    And it will be better for everyone. Particularly the environment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,887 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    You're no claiming it's impossible to work as a team unless co-located.

    I this typo was "not", rather than "now", because I certainly didn't say that. As someone who also works at home, it would be weird for me to think that.



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