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Rory McIlroy - 5 Time Major Winner and Grandslam legend

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Agree, on pure golf ability, Rory is comfortably Tigers equal…I’ve seen so many shots down through the years that only those 2 could play!

    But, unfortunately Rory’s mentality is not even within the same stratosphere as Tigers, and what’s between the ears is 90% of the task at that level. When Tiger got a sniff, even if he was 2 or 3 back late on a Sunday afternoon, he would have this laser sharp focus that you knew he would get it done. You just knew everything within 10 feet was going in when he was on it.

    Rory can often look distracted and lack composure on a Sunday when it matters, I don’t think it’s a nerves thing either. He’s just seems to switch off on the most basic shots, how many times have we seen him fly the green with a wedge in his hand? after getting the hard bit done by cracking a drive 350 yards down the middle.

    I suppose that’s also what makes him the most compelling watch as a spectator. He can pull off shots that seem super human and leave you in awe, but he’s also capable of the other extremes and it leaves you scratching your head and wondering how!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭go_raibh_maith_agat


    It's almost sometimes Rory doesn't want to play safe.. Like he feels he is above that it that makes sense.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I like the comparisons with Tiger but lets face reality, Tiger would eat Rory apart on his approach and putting, that's why he has 15 majors and all those other wins versus Rory's 4 majors. When Tiger was playing his B+ game noone could beat him for half a decade +. When Rory is playing his A game he can be beaten.

    Rory likely has better driving stats but that's it.

    Stats aside, Tiger intimated all and his close out was phenomenal, when he was ahead going into a Major on day 4 it was all over.

    Look at his streak of not missing a cut and if you get the chance look at the way he tore the field to shreds in the US Open 2000 when he went on to win 4 majors in a row. Ernie Els playing the best golf of his career quote "Before we went out, I knew I had no chance", that's because Tiger was 10 ahead. He played ultra conservative with 9 pars in a row before throwing in 4 birdies on the back 9 to win by 15.

    For years golf betting was "without Tiger". That would never happen with Rors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭Miley Byrne




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    who put 4 beside 5 on a keyboard😣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm a fan of Rory but Scheffler is on a different level than Rory ever reached. He's the best since Tiger and comparable to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    How is Scheffler on a different level to what Rory ever reached?? Rory has 2 majors more than him and close to 20 odd more major tournament wins. Yes Scheffler has been the man the last 2 years but to say he's better than Rory at any stage of his career is just BS…

    Rory won a US Open by 8 shots and obliterated the field as a 21 year old.

    Scottie couldn't make a putt within 6 feet up until 2 years ago and Rory beat him from 6 shots back at the Fed Ex final in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭big_drive


    I don't see it, not yet anyway. He'd need to do it for another few years yet to be in the same class as tiger and Rory.

    Plenty players get hot steaks , look at someone like Jordan Spieth. It's another story to maintain that over a 8-10 year stretch



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He just had the second best tee to green season in history, second only to Tiger in 2006. He has thirteen tournament wins in less than three years. 7 tournament wins in one season is the most since Vijay Singh had 9 in 2004 and Tiger in 2000. In this day and age winning seven tournaments on the PGA tour is phenomenal.

    These wins are all on the PGA tour including two majors.

    Rory has 26 PGA tour wins including majors, that's just 9 ahead of Scottie. He has seven years to win 10 tournaments which would be more than Rory at the same age.

    Scottie isn't stopping, he'll win lots more including majors. You don't fall off when you have the level of consistency he's shown over the last couple of years. He has 16 top five finishes outside of his wins in the last two years. Nobody outside Tiger Woods has shown that level of form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton


    There has been plenty of flash in the pans for the last 25 years since Tiger came along.

    I'm not saying Scotty is one of these but Rory has been at the top of the game since around 2011.

    We'll revisit in ten years and be able to see if Scotty can keep this form up long term but to say he's better than Rory after two excellent years is going a bit far.

    I like the chap but i think the shuffle will end up being a hindrance rather than a help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm saying that what Scottie has done in three years is on a different level to anything Rory has ever done. That's what I said in my first post.

    I didn't say that he's better than him on the all time list, yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭qwabercd


    Mcilroy has 26 pgatour wins from 257 starts. 10.11%

    Scheffler has 13 pgatour wins from 130 starts. 10%.

    A higher proportion of Scheffler's wins have come when the pgatour has been weakened by the Liv split.

    Longevity is the key. Harrington spoke about this very well. Most golfers have 2 to 3 years where they peak. Harrington talked himself about his own experience, that it's just so difficult mentally to maintain that same high level. Look at Spieth, Day, DJ, Thomas etc. They all looked unstoppable for a period, but it didn't last. Scheffler may not go in the same vain, and he may not even have peaked yet, but until he does, there's no way that he is on Mcilroys level - yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭Caquas


    I am constantly astonished by the Irish media's disregard for Rory.

    With all due respect for our stars in other sports, he is the only one Irish sportstar of global renown today but our media refuse to give him due respect.

    (I'm talking about sport. I make no comment on Notorious or MMA)

    His achievement in Dubai is, without a doubt, the greatest achievement of any Irish sports star this year. Then add in his roller-coaster year and Rory's triumph in adversity may be the biggest story in the world of golf this year but our local media… ah.. not too bothered!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    His level of play, the standard of golf is way better than anything Rory has ever done. Rory has never had anything close to the tee to green performance Scheffler had last season.

    And you can throw in the split with the despicable cretins who left but nobody was stopping him, he's miles ahead of everybody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭AlanWatts


    Pity Rahm left, think it wud have been a great rivalry in 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Complete and utter bull… In a 3yr 2month spell Rory won 4 majors, 2 of them absolutely obliterating the field plus 7 other PGA/European Tour events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Exactly this. A 5% win rate is phenomenal, never mind 10%.

    Scheffler is good, he's very good and in time may well end up in the conversation for top 20 all time or something, but IMO at the moment his body of work (which would be a great career anyway) isn't over a long enough timeframe. That's not a slight or a knock on him at all. He's been head and shoulders above everyone for the last two years, although, as someone mentioned, DJ, Rahm, Koepka etc being with LIV arguably adds a small asterix to that assertion, but NOT to his wins, you can only beat whoever is in front of you and he's done that. Day, Thomas, Spieth all had their 2 year runs where they looked like they'd never stop winning, maybe Scheffler will continue his.

    I think having Tiger as the big star immediately before Rory came on the scene made people expect too much from whoever the "next" star is/was. Nobody is ever going to have a career like Tiger again and to expect it from anyone is just madness. I'm old enough to have seen the likes of Seve, Langer, Faldo etc, and while I don't think Rory will ever be anywhere near Tiger's numbers, personally I think he's the best player I've ever seen, in terms of shots he can hit. I know many will disagree but its just an opinion. I think for whatever reason(s), he's underachieved in the majors for the last, say, 5/6 years, and really should be close to double figures by now. I hope he picks up a few more in the autumn of his career but he'll probably do well to finish with 6. I suspect we in Ireland will only realise just how good he was when he's finished.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91 ✭✭go_raibh_maith_agat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    He won his 4 majors by nearly an average of 5 stokes. Ridiculous golf.

    I'm not even a massive fan of Rory, but for anyone to say what Scottie is doing now blows Rory's peak game away it talking absolute rubbish. Like I've actually never heard such nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty


    I think the argument here boils down to longevity. Scheffler's statistics both last year and this year in particular, are outrageous. As I understand it, his ballstriking stats have been better than Rory's best year since he joined the PGA Tour. He has rivalled peak Tiger in almost everything in the same period. Nobody is saying Scheffler will go down in history as the better player based on his current tally of wins and majors, but the quality of almost every part of his game has exceeded Rory's equivilent at his very best. Ergo, if he is able to maintain the kind of golf he is currently playing, and thats a v big if, he is almost certainly going to overtake Rory at some point in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You are all taking about careers here. Obviously Rory is way up there as regards his career. Scottie has a long way to go as regards that.

    I'm talking about the standard of golf played over a period. Tiger has the best tee to green season of all time, Scottie has the second and third best, He smashed Tiger's consecutive par or better rounds record. He's the fastest to get to 12 PGA tour wins since his first.

    Yes it's a short period but only Tiger has played at that level.

    So to make it clear again he's achieved a level of golf that Rory has never played at. Tiger is the only comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,233 ✭✭✭cosatron


    im sorry eagle eye but a previous poster has mentioned that in a

    In a 3yr 2month spell Rory won 4 majors, 2 of them absolutely obliterating the field plus 7 other PGA/European Tour events.

    which is similar to Scottie's current dominance but rory's major's were on 4 different courses with no liv to content with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Fair enough, but in a way, level of golf isn't really a great metric. Most players at that level would rather 4 wins and 4 missed cuts than 8 second places (an extreme example obviously). Scottie's consistency is incredible, no argument, but ultimately its the wins that are remembered and that go on the records. He could well end up with more than Rory at the end of his career. Of course his consistency should in theory lead to more wins over time, but the hot & cold players can equally have exceptional records.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I wonder if we were to put Tiger, Jack, Rors and say Gary out together at their peak, with equipment from the 70's, how would they get on, not only were older clubs harder to strike and get distance on, the forgiveness off the tee was brutal.

    We'll never know

    The Morris's ruled, then Jack ruled, then Tiger ruled like no other, no one has ruled since or come close to it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,978 ✭✭✭Russman


    Completely. You can't compare different eras, in any sport really. Even Rory's and Tiger's careers never really overlapped enough, or they never went head to head enough, apart from maybe Kiawah and then the Tour Champs in Atlanta.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭IAmTitleist


    I'd argue that technological advancements have actually hindered the amount of majors/tournaments Rory has won.

    It has compensated so much for players who aren't as naturally talented as Rory is. Rory is as pure a ball striker as it comes.

    Sort of sickens me a bit to see modern players hitting huge slices out there 320/330 yards ala Wyndham Clark who pipped Rory at the 2023 US Open. His tee shot on the 72nd hole was quite literally a slice which somehow found fairway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,567 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Wouldn't that make Scottie's achievements all the more impressive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,880 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Rory benefits in the same with his distance, he's miles up on so many courses. They all have to play with the same equipment and did previously too.

    The field is much better due to many related factors. Sport science, college programs, S&C, knowledge travels instantly online, availability of launch monitors, SG data and so on. Instant feedback, then review, adjust, more feedback and repeat as you get better. From an earlier age, you can live in the arse end of many countries and get access to much the same environment as a US kid within a 1hr drive. There are ranges across Ireland now with trackman, pros with all the gear, certifications and so on. It's a cumulative effect of society advancing.

    Interestingly, for all the technology available, has he improved from 100-150 with a wedge or in his putting?

    Nonetheless, no current top golfer has had the level of consistency as Rory for a decade plus. It's remarkable irrespective of the gap since his last major.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,839 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    It could. But on the other hand, the forgiveness of modern equipment could arguably be said to have helped him win. He can be awful streaky off the tee, but gets away with it a lot of the time due to the wide fairways and less punishing rough of modern courses. He really struggled at Troon for example.

    And then there's his putting. He kinda has Rory to thank for the improvement there, but you'd wonder how long that lasts. He can have some inexplicable misses and is often very ordinary on the greens.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Off the tee with a driver I would agree on his pure ball striking, approaches….less so. I've seen him miss a green by a greater distance from the shot he just took and I don't think it was a once off (not a shank)



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