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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    It all works out very nicely for Trump here

    • Russia won't retaliate even if they could, as they don't want to upset the new incoming favourable relationship with the Trump administration
    • Putin's military will be weaker when Trump tries to persuade him to negotiate
    • By rolling this back later, Trump can be seen as de-escalating, and doing this seen as a concession


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,541 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Genuinely, who cares?

    There are American tanks literally invading Russia yet somehow people can still convince themselves that this fool is serious about his "red lines".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Some info coming in, Russia has claimed Ukraine has shot US missiles onto Russian territory. Claims they were all shot down and the fragments caused fires.

    To translate: The country invading it's neighbour with long-range missiles has been hit back with long range missiles

    And to translate for Putin's supporters here: WW3 is about to start because the US caused Russia to invade another country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    How do you know Ukrainians are not able to launch these missiles without NATO assistance

    Are you a rocket scientist now ontop of being an armchair general with a red crayon box?

    You spent pages arguing that there is no evidence of Koreans in Russia because plenty of Russians are narrow eyed

    Where is your evidence that Ukrainians are not smart enough to push a button themselves and require “assistance”

    But even if they did get NATO assistance, what’s the problem? Haven’t you lot spent three years telling everyone Russia is at war with NATO?? Why the surprised Picachu face?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No i read about it on the internet. It is readily available if you take the time to look for yourself. that is why the UK cannot use the storm shadow without US permission

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Given Russia might be looking for a pretext to respond, all of the bravado is 100% reliant on the belief that Russia won't have a large response.

    This might not be true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    NATO and Europe are supporting Ukraine, ergo any bullet fired from any Ukrainian can be described by the Kremlin as "NATO-assisted".

    Which they need to feed into their narrative that NATO is "at war" with Russia. Which sounds better than the truth which is that Putin has invaded a European country, and other European countries are naturally supporting that country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    That's not really how these things work. They need permission to access navigation packages that are available for different territories. Once they have that permission, what they fire and when is up to them. Storm Shadow was built on the premise that the US and UK would be working together, but could be retrofitted if politics changed. Ukraine as a third party could also retrofit however the UK would stop supplying further missiles making such an action pointless.

    UK could shift onto the European positioning system as well since they abandoned their own post brexit.

    The real threat here's further integration of Ukraine into western weapons systems which have proven to be far superior to the soviet dregs.

    Remembering that Ukraine is also building its own missiles which it can fire without restraint, using western expertise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Your AI generated article from a questionable publication rests on this paragraph

    Under the circumstances, a US/NATO weapon that navigates through sovereign Russian airspace, using guidance signals beamed by US military satellites, to strike a target in sovereign Russian territory could be deemed as an act of war against Russia by the US/NATO.

    Let me point out that Russian missiles and drones using Russian satellite signals repeatedly not only traverse but strike NATO territory as happened in Romania and Poland, so if NATO takes the same stance as Russia you better bend around and kiss your rear goodbye



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Well one things for certain now Putin has backed himself into a corner with his rhetoric. He may not care about losing face anymore as he's ignored so so many red lines already but who knows what his response will be in all honesty. Besides nukes what can he really do besides cut a few undersea cables.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay but what large response from Moscow?

    Nuclear sabre rattling? Already done

    Hybrid warfare on Europe? Already happening

    Energy war? Already happened

    Blowing the crap out of Ukraine? Already happening

    Foreign armies and support? Already happened

    There's no "bravado". Russia is invading Ukraine and attacking Europe. We are simply responding to that. A fairly weak response in proportion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,664 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    You can be guaranteed that the US had a conversation with China over the permission to use LR weapons at Russia this week in Peru. In the unlikely event of a nuclear war, both Russian and US missiles would target China.

    Any nuclear strike by Russia will isolate them from China as much as the rest of the world.

    Russia will respond to this by likely arming enemies of the US rather than hitting NATO directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ultimately the fear is that he could "launch nukes". I get that fear, and there has been chatter that he was allegedly close to using battlefield nukes at one stage (pinch of salt) however as others have mentioned, the key problem is China. Threatening nukes affects them and they don't want it. This was very clear from the sudden drop in that nuclear threat rhetoric from Russia after key meetings with China.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see the Russian equivalent of the Defcon alert to be raised, plus various other nuclear sabre-rattling.

    There are also plenty of other nasty things Putin can do, however he's already doing most of them to some extent anyway. It's just a continuation.

    My chief worry was an "accident" at the Zaporizhia plant, however Ukrainians are in range of the Kursk plant - so Russia may be cautious with those games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I suppose they could bring out the big conventional weapons like the Avangard.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,578 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    It's a case of wait and see if Russia fires a warning shot on some part of UK now that the UK and Usa are guiding these long range missiles to their targets , Ukraine may pull the trigger, but it's the US and UK manning those missiles



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,664 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    What can Russia do, spell it out, otherwise your post is nothing but vague fluffy load of nonsense

    There is no escalation path which doesn’t result in Putin and Russia getting hosed in return

    He has finally backed himself into a corner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,578 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,578 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Are these really long range missiles , or just short range tactical missiles.

    A long range missiles should go at least 1000- 2000 miles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Norwegian mass murder and Neo Nazi carves a Russian Zwastika on his head



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,391 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭rameire


    This is the link to the Ship in question.

    Looks like it is being escorted through Danish waters.

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:213234/zoom:10

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    That visegrad isn’t a legitimate source. Up there with RT with the shite they spout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Interesting times for sure. I just can't get my head around why Ukraine wasn't allowed do this at least a year ago and why it's been telegraphed by the US. As dumb as Russia are they will have moved the high value targets well out of range by now which makes it bizarre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    yes, but she's a typical small-elephant-sized vatnik woman. It may be only 2 storey building but heavy weight and gravity will do the trick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Next we'll see the vatniks get an updated script, and move from "Allowing missiles to be used against targets in Russia is a red line" to "ATACMS are ineffective and will not affect the special military operation in any way". Just wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    I just wish the West wouldn't constantly announce these steps in advance. Just give the green light quietly and maintain the element of surprise. Why does everything have to be broadcast in advance, leading to the inevitable tedious nuclear war/escalation rhetoric that every bloody news site is broadcasting as if it hasn't been heard 100 times before?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,973 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    As a heads-up - if Putin does respond in any way to these strikes with foreign missiles, the usual crowd will attempt to blame anyone but Putin.



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