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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭Grassy Knoll


    good to see, but IMHO this is the bear bones of what our DF capability should be. I note Article mentions Naval assets being used, I presume the one ship we have operational …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    It could be as little as the Naval Operations Centre being in communication with the 295.

    LÉ Aoibhinn was here in the east coast last week, perhaps we've been able to muster up enough crew for 1 x P60 and 1 x P70 also. I mean now that the summer holidays are over and whatnot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    The James Joyce was up in Galway over the weekend, so its likely she was involved if we had a ship in the situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Hope so…anything else and Jonny Russian would have laughed his effing head off!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭vswr


    I'm not sure what they would have added with British and US naval assets already shadowing…. ones with actual guns and stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭RavenP


    TBF the British often use River Class OPVs for these sorts of Ops. No one is expecting a shooting match just yet, we hope…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    did we take the 76mm of the Joyce when no one was looking? As mentioned shadowing is just that, not actually trying to actively sink the other ship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭vswr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    seems from RTÉ that one of the ships was involved, must have been Aoibhinn

    Prime Time understands an Irish Naval Service vessel was positioned on the edge of the Irish EEZ, and across the closest cables to the Yantar, to deter entry to the EEZ. It is further understood that the Irish vessel 'hailed' the Russian vessel, meaning it contacted and communicated with it.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/1115/1481145-russian-spy-ship-confirmed-to-be-operating-off-dublin-near-cables/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,202 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    https://www.navylookout.com/royal-navy-monitors-russian-seabed-spy-ship-yantar-loitering-in-irish-sea/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Lots and lots of lovely HD footage from the 295, geolocated, showing a known Russian spy ship inside Irish territorial waters, getting up to who knows what, sent to all the World's news channels and outlets

    More impactful than any 76mm across the bow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Both sides, of course. But every audience needs to know about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭vswr


    Plenty from the RAF, US Navy P-8's and French Atlantique's too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    You really think the Irish Audience is paying attention?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think more are paying more attention now than used to.

    We have 200,000 working in FDI digital and tech, which is reliant on secure data and communications linkage. Those organisations know the score, and they have petitioned the government on the matter before.

    We had the cyberattack on the HSE, known to have originated with a criminal outfit in Moscow. We know about multiple cyber attacks against state and commercial organisations that were repelled or only partially successful.

    The media wouldn't now be publishing as many articles about defence and intelligence matters generally, as they are, if they weren't attracting a readership.

    And I don't think the likes of Fianna Fáil would be suggesting a Department of Domestic Affairs, covering security and intelligence co-ordination, among other things, if there wasn't a conversation going on about shortcomings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    Balkans was 30 years ago. Goldeneye was in the cinemas. Dialup internet 1.0 was arriving.

    Time to catch up, ace.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Time for YOU to keep up with events. Serbia/Kosovo is very much a current issue. One that never really went away after the Balkans War. As is Transnistria, and the strategic problem of Kaliningrad. And all the territorial carry-on in the Caucusus, invariably stoked by Russia.

    Educate yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    "Europe" as we know it today didn't exist back then.

    We weren't a people. We were mostly a bunch of disconnected countries going our own ways, unaligned and uncoordinated. Austria, Finland and Sweden only joined the EU that year, there were 15 members of a loosely aligned new concept in its formative stage.

    The Americans bailed out Bosnians. Its not on us.

    Kaliningrad, Transnistria and outer Mongolia are different topics.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Given that they are all trying for membership of the EU, are getting arm sales from EU nations and border several EU member states and have the potential of spiralling into violence even without exterior prodding and the uncertainty of what the upcoming US foreign policy is going to look like, trying to suggest that we don’t have an interest in stability in the Balkans is a bad joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    They didn't have any of that at the time. You were attributing responsibility to the EU for something which was happening in non-member countries before the EU properly existed.

    Your time frame is out.

    I mean first the Ottoman empire and now Ukraine. When is the EU act going to get its act together. Brussels just stood there and let Vienna do all the work.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I’m not sure what you are trying to post, but the reality is yes the stability of the Balkans is a responsibility and weight for the EU today and will be going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    "At some stage europe will have to step up. We as a european people can not keep hoping the americans will bail us out when trouble happens such as the balkans"

    I was responding to that. Its basically blaming someone for an incident which happened before they were on the scene.

    In 1995 there was no (proper) EU as we know it today. There was no unified people on the scene, just mostly individual uncoordinated countries.

    The Americans bailed out the Bosnians in 95. They didn't bail out a collective Europe. Because a collective Europe didn't really exist back then. Only a partial shadow of the EU consisting of 15 countries with a relatively weak integrity.

    Im not taking on some kind of debt by association for what was an affair between the US and whichever Balkan country they assisted.

    (Sharing a continent does not associate me with Bosnians any more than Americans have some collective debt with Mexico just because they're both American by continental term)

    Bombing Bosnia did not rescue me, or anybody in France, Spain, UK, Greece, Portugal, Germany you name it.

    That goes on Bosnias book. And they're not an EU member even today.

    Ireland wasn't bailed out.

    So whats this shyte about hoping Americans will bail us out again.

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Numbers across all 3 services again on the up. Hopefully this will continue.

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/14195656/irish-defence-forces-new-recruit-applications-soar-pay-changes/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Certainly good news, and hopefully as you say it continues. I saw a Facebook post of a recent class graduation from Gormanston with 20 naval recruits passing out, again welcome news for the NS given its state.


    However has there been any news on Retention, or are we still bleeding out there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,471 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    EEZ isn't territorial waters /UNCLOS

    Would Ireland need a submersibles ship platform, to make sure there is actual interference on cables before firing at someone?

    Does the UK Navy have something similar to the Yantar a ship that deploys large submersibles? They have one converted from commercial use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Proteus starting to create more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Role_Ocean_Surveillance_Ship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, not Ireland necessarily.

    We are taking part in the EU PESCO Critical Seabed Infrastructure Protection project. So, assets and resources protecting undersea infrastructure in Irish waters could come from any of the 9 project contributors, including the Navies of France, Germany, Italy and Spain, among others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭sparky42


    we are also from memory working with the NATO group as well?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,427 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Yes indeed, we have expanded our Individually Tailored Partnership Programme with NATO (basically PfP up to now) to partner with the Allied Maritime Command Critical Undersea Infrastructure operational unit at SHAPE, and also separately on Cyber Defence.



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