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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Was always going to be the outcome once it became clear the west had no real interest in backing a Ukrainian victory and all it took was Putin and his henchmen to talk about changing it's nuclear doctrine in September.

    The west in easily coward when the Moscow gremlin starts rattling the "nukes" line again and again.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/why-russia-changing-its-nuclear-doctrine-now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    Scholz is in campaign mode after his coalition collapsed and they have to hold elections and his popularity keeps approaching absolute zero

    he is unlikely to return as Germans are favouring the much more pro Ukraine anti Russia CDU

    Any analysis of German actions that ignores the election elephant in the room is questionable at this time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Trump's reelection was indeed confirmation of the end of the US era, but contingencies and alternatives were planned during his first term.

    Of course as the number one arms seller in the world the US would always say customers weren't buying enough, but expensive 20th century armory is been wiped out on the battlefield by cheap drone tech that's advanced rapidly in the last two years.

    The lesson from Iraq and Afghanistan was that the US could win every battle but not wars.

    The soviet's learned this in Afghanistan too, but Putin thinks "this time it's different".

    When your only tool is a hammer every problem looks like a nail, and so Russians main tactic of meat waves continues without change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I wondered if Scholz's call at this particular time had something to do with the upcoming election in Germany also? There is political disruption going on there too.

    Was thinking could he be trying to show German Ukraine aid "sceptics" (probably more those falling on his own side of politics, not the ilk of AfD members!) that he is not averse to other routes if they become available i.e. negotiations with Russia?

    https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-scholz-calls-putin-for-first-time-in-2-years/a-70796017

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/15/scholz-urges-putin-in-phone-call-to-negotiate-with-ukraine

    Sounds like he got the usual lecture from Putin, and there's been no movement there at all. I suppose why should he change now, when he thinks it is looking up and he has a friendly incoming POTUS on his side come Jan.? May be a sunk cost fallacy operating there too, Putin just cannot accept anything other than all his goals of Feb 2022 met given the horrible cost.

    On the contrary to what you seem to believe, IMO the US President cannot click his fingers and end this. There's nothing magical about Trump or people around him. He can't order Putin to stop and come to the table, all he can do is deny Ukraine US support (which he probably will) and cause more people to suffer and die in Ukraine, possibly cause them to lose the war later, after more fighting.

    Think we could see war escalate again next year rather than any kind of settlement come into view. We've already seen the order has gone out, Russia has garnered support troops from NK (this was significant, despite the total and utter lack of reaction to it) and started pushing harder once again, since Trump has been elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I see in replies elsewhere about Scholz mentioned. He could have also been ringing up for a job and pension money. Like his previous incumbent.

    Whatever way they want to spin it. Russia (Putin) Putin's boy trump as RT television puts it. Is a new form in the world of Nazism. There's people with no attachment to Russia who find the idea of this totalitarian rule with mafia appealing. Until it's themselves called to go the trenches and face the machine guns.

    Scholz could believe he's now too important to be sent to the machine guns but does find the excitement of being privately now employed by Putin appealing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Let’s put all this talk of Russia being a superpower behind us.


    https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/how-ukrainian-troops-are-fighting-to-take-back-the-black-sea-one-oil-rig-at-a-time-lw369mzrz


    A ‘superpower’ that doesn’t even have air superiority, never mind air supremacy. As for the Russian navy skulking far away from the action. LOL.

    The Times article is behind a paywall, but details how Ukranian special forces attack oil rigs dotted around the coast of Ukraine. They came under attack from the air and downed the Russian aircraft with a stinger.

    Military superpower you say? Nah, a degenerate mafia state spiralling to its Putin led destruction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's a downward spiral for them, at least while putin is around, trump may steady the ship for a few years for them, big dumb idiot that he is.

    Scholz call seems a bit desperate from him, German election may have unexpected impacts here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    North Korea's appetite for eating hairy mollies! 🤣[edit; hairy mollies are caterpillars, in case people thought I was been dirty]

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,289 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If Trump doesn't want Ukraine to cost him then fine. If it's really money he cares about he can empty the massive amounts of anerican weapons soon to be scrapped at a huge cost and give them to Ukraine instead. Abram's, Bradley's and many other armoured units. Helicopters, missiles, cluster munitions.

    Your more advanced weapons like missiles, jets, artillery round's just sell them to Ukraine or the EU to support Ukraine. Obviously you'd rather proper American support but if Trump only cares about America first they can still do that and support Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Spending by the USA on helping Ukraine deal with putin's terrorist attacks has resulted from what I can see in a very good result for the USA in weakening the threat to international peace from putin. They have made dramatic announcements of support but in 2023 it spent less than 3% of the defense budget on mass destruction of putin's forces as russia pours quarter of their economies spending on a war where they have destroyed their reputation as a military power and pushed millions of Ukrainians to hate them for generations. Trump has said he wants to bring the war to a quick end but the only way to do this I can see is for putin to turn his terrorist forces around and march them back out of Ukraine. On balance I think there is more chance of Trump boosting US support for Ukraine and spending on US arms manufacturing to bring the conflict to a quicker end rather than cutting support and leading to the war of attrition that Ukraine is winning drag on for longer.

    https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/russia-ukraine/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭yagan


    Aside from sending greater numbers to the grinder what does a Russian escalation look like?

    When they run out of golf carts and dirt bikes will they be sent to the front on bicycles?

    We could get to a Stalingrad scenario of the new arrival picking up the weapons of the dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    All reliable mappers now reporting on further advances in Kupyansk as the Russians have formed a stronghold in the industrial sector and reinforcement of reserves have arrived in the area.

    Looks like they were not kicked out after all.

    kup.jpg

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Another report seems to contradict your post:

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/russian-invaders-breakthrough-into-kupiansk-ended-in-their-death-or-capture/

    Its almost like everything you post is trying to glorify putin's terrorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Don't think it can yet be confirmed for certain. There are conflicting accounts as to whether the battle for the city is underway or not.

    It's a really important target for Russia and equally a very important hold for Ukraine so the fighting probably going to be fierce. Plus the Russians would have to cross the river for the western side of the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Anything could of happened in the last few hours, but generally when most of the mappers are saying the same thing that is what has happened. Just like quite a few are now saying about Chasiv Yar just starting to be stormed also, but that is not all of them so best to keep quiet about that one until later.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Yes anything could have happened but here is another report showing pictures of dead terrorists putin sent to their deaths in an ambush by the armed forces of Ukraine in the same area you are posting about. Also noted is the terrorists using scooters as a means to move to more advanced positions demonstrating how they no longer require armour to get killed in Ukraine.

    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/in-kharkiv-region-3rd-brigade-eliminates-39-russians-in-ambush/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,289 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Fortunately for Ukraine this city is split in 2 by a river which and the area that splits the city isn't that narrow either. At least if Russia end up capturing it should only be one side so it won't become a rail hub for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Fair point. I remember Putin saying in a speech last year on the need to create a buffer zone with Ukraine so maybe they are planning on just taking the territory east of the river. It looks quite plausible seeing as that region seems to be getting cut into small pieces lately and most of the bridges have been blown up.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭technocrat


    I wonder is this a clever ploy by Zelensky here to massage Trumps ego.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0mzgv4x901o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,289 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Do you reckon that'll be good for the Kharkiv front once Putin has achieved his goal? Thinks might calm down?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,979 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    https://www.economist.com/europe/2024/11/10/kremlin-occupied-ukraine-is-now-a-totalitarian-hell

    (behind soft paywall)

    Excerpt

    “Kiril”, a Ukrainian agent in occupied territory reached by phone, says that “this is a prison society” because the fear of being denounced forces everyone to keep their views to themselves. To be without a Russian passport these days is “like being a refugee in your own land”. Important jobs are almost all held by Russians. Anyone with pro-Ukrainian views fears being sent “to the basement”, an expression for Russia’s network of detention and “filtration” camps.

    All traces of Ukraine are being expunged. Schools have switched to the Russian curriculum, and Russian youth and paramilitary organisations work in the territories. Repression combined with Russification aims to transform the social and political fabric of the territories, says Nikolay Petrov, the author of a new report for the German Institute for International and Security Affairs.

    The identity of the occupied territories is changing, fast. Some residents have always been pro-Russian. Now oppression, brainwashing and an exodus means that the balance has shifted further. Some 5-30% of residents in the occupied Zaporizhia and Kherson regions are pro-Russian, 20-35% are pro-Ukrainian while the rest, possibly more than half, “have a wait-and-see” attitude, according to the NRC. “That is why,” says Mr Petrov, “we should not believe in the idea that they are all ... waiting for liberators to come and free them.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I get what you mean, they are going all out anyway…

    Since Trump won, as you say we already have Russia roping in NK and throwing more soldiers into attacks in Kursk. Yes, they die and are maimed in huge numbers and old Soviet vehicles get blown to bits, but Putin doesn't seem to care ("some of you may die" etc.). They manage to kill Ukrainian soldiers, and they can gradually take ground back, so it is not good.

    As for further escalation, we might see the various "friends of Russia" like China stepping in deeper to make good equipment shortages that emerge for Russia if they believe they can throw in more support and help Putin to a stronger position without consequence for a low cost, if US engagement tails off. The more help Russia's military gets off them, the more damage they can do in Ukraine unfortunately.

    e.g. saw this story today on possible manufacture of military drones for Russia in China. If true, well that is the last of the "red lines" of this US admin. finally crossed as regards Chinese aid to Russia in the war, probably with no reaction at all from the US, given Biden is a lame duck now and a Trump admin. probably won't give a crap.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-china-drone-production-russia-war-in-ukraine/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,738 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    "While I don't expect a mass back lash due to the authoritarian nature of putin's empire there is increasingly a chance that some one with wealth in putin's empire will find a way to make his reign that is so destructive to their wealth come to an abrupt end."

    Let's hope it happens sooner rather than later or it might be too late for Ukraine.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭highpitcheric


    On the Russians and their basement filtration camps, sectarianism against non-Russian passport holders, etc in captured towns.

    If/when Ukraine splits with the western part joining liberal democracies and free markets, while eastern captured towns go with the Kremlin, there will be no way for the Russians to basement filtration camp their way out of the widening economic gap which will be evident to everyone on both sides.

    Free Ukraine will experience gradual but constant growth and improvement. Kremlin Ukraine will turn to shyte.

    After Putins demise (toaster-assisted or natural) the impoverished partial ghost towns will find a way to reintegrate with free Ukraine. East/West Berlin all over.

    (hopefully toaster assisted)

    Bailey had a borderline personality" based on "narcissism, psycho-rigidity, violence, impulsiveness, egocentricity with an intolerance to frustration and a great need for recognition".

    • Psychiatrist Jean Michel Masson and psychologist Katy Lorenzo-Regreny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    To show you how much of a pr!ck Musk is he was only on a call with Zelensky and Trump the other day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The identity of the occupied territories is changing, fast. Some residents have always been pro-Russian. Now oppression, brainwashing and an exodus means that the balance has shifted further. Some 5-30% of residents in the occupied Zaporizhia and Kherson regions are pro-Russian, 20-35% are pro-Ukrainian while the rest, possibly more than half, “have a wait-and-see” attitude, according to the NRC. “That is why,” says Mr Petrov, “we should not believe in the idea that they are all ... waiting for liberators to come and free them.”

    The Ukrainian national identity is being extinguished in the occupied territories.

    Simon Harris and Michael Martin are very much so comfortable with this.

    I wrote a letter to Leo Varadkar shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine. I asked him to provide military aid to Ukraine.

    Varadkar actually replied back. He said he condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but said neutrality prevented Ireland from preventing military assistance.

    The Irish government position is very clear. They will pick up the pieces left in Ukraine at the end of hostilities, assuming any pieces are left to pick up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I wouldn’t even think of Ireland providing military aid. They’ve **** all to provide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Musk is an absolute embarrassment. And I am a huge fan of what he has done with SpaceX and Tesla.

    His mocking of such a dire and horrific situation in Ukraine is just crass, and he thinks he is being some kind of edgelord or something with these kind of comments.

    I keep thinking that he can't get much worse with some of the nonsense he keeps on coming out with, but then he just goes and surpasses it again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Simon Harris and Michael Martin have lots of words to provide.

    If words were ammunition, Simon Harris and Michael Martin could certainly provide.



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