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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • #37622
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    People can be fairly dichotomous. Farrell can be both quite adventurous (Sam P, Joe McCarthy etc) while also displaying conservatism in other positions (e.g. POM).

    POM is there for leadership I'm sure, but it's a fairly regressive selection. Healy is there for want of better options but maybe its better to just throw someone in sooner rather than later etc etc.



  • #37623
    FtD v2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842497#Comment_122842497

    I don't think just demonstrating though that we've had an older or more settled squad necessarily implies we're conservative selectors - you would expect South Africa and Ireland to be more settled given we were the two most successful sides in our respective hemispheres for the preceding few years.

    You also very rarely see wholesale immediate changes - we still had a 6N to win and will be pushing to do the same next year again, but I think if we come out of this window having blooded another few guys like Clarkson, Prendergast, Izuchukwu then that is about as much as we could have reasonably expected.



  • #37624
    FtD v2
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842640#Comment_122842640

    The thing is - there is a dynamic to some of the selections that we don't see as fans. POM has still been a valuable player for us in recent years, but I don't think he's necessarily still been part of the group (and indeed leading the group for a chunk of it) just because of his talents as a blindside flanker - it's the intangible things that we don't see - his experience, his leadership, and his tenacity and aggression I think.

    Some of those are characteristics that I think the Leinster pack slightly lacks in - and that's also been a factor for me in why POM has been kept around, especially when you were losing the only other real character in the squad who seemed to have that in Sexton.



  • #37625
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 56,545 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842578#Comment_122842578

    Yea it's pricey given the standard of opposition. But corporates will pay that, which is why they do it.

    The IRFU will claim they give the majority of tickets to clubs, which they do, but they also know that clubs have to sell these on to corporates as the money they get for them is a good chunk of income for the club.



  • #37626
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842764#Comment_122842764

    What are they supposed to do though? Reducing the number of tickets they give to clubs doesn't seem much of a viable option either.



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  • #37627
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842764#Comment_122842764

    Yeah ultimately it’s about money in.
    I know the kids I coach are far more engaged with Leinster than with Ireland which is down to accessibility, pricing and availability of tickets is a big part of that.



  • #37628
    FtD v2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842823#Comment_122842823

    It's largely the clubs tickets finding their way to corporates anyway - an awful lot of clubs see it as a major source of revenue.



  • #37629
    Former Former Former
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,071 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842764#Comment_122842764

    that’s now officially prohibited though, right?



  • #37630
    Ben Bailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122842891#Comment_122842891

    Outside of having attendees at matches having to show Club I.D. (& that I.D. being matched to the Ticket No. allocated to that Club in an IRFU dbase) there's no way of enforcing that 'prohibition'.

    The IRFU could directly fund approved spending at Club level & avoid this hypocrisy.



  • #37631
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    So impressive from JGP considering he only consolidated his place as a starter in the last few years. But for Dupont, he'd be the best 9 in the world by a distance.

    https://twitter.com/OptaJonny/status/1857439708931911823?t=3ViTWA6cAfZ-ZWf6kh-vFQ&s=09


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  • #37632
    Clegg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I like Williams as a journalist. He's generally quite objective and isn't prone to taking sides. But this take is an odd one. I doubt anyone is underestimating Argentina or would be surprised if they brought Ireland right to the wire.

    They've beat New Zealand in Wellington this year to go with home victories against South Africa and Australia. They're a legitimately good team.

    https://twitter.com/thepaulwilliams/status/1857446035049632064?t=HD-Qvr2QYZCnYX2zp0DBGA&s=09


  • #37633
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843322#Comment_122843322

    Really strange take, everyone has said this will be a close game and that was before the NZ game. With the history between Ireland and Argentina, throw in Contepomi I don't think anyone I know is underestimating Argie



  • #37634
    PMC83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭PMC83


    He's stoking the fires in the same same way that a lot of our pundits and journos have of recent. I'm seeing a lot online about how the Irish team and fanbase are becoming cocky and entitled and so on, but it seems to me a lot of it is coming from the media and comments the likes of which hes just made



  • #37635
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I think quite a few folk are massively over-thinking his comment. It's X, not a court of law.



  • #37636
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843322#Comment_122843322

    "It will be a lot closer than people think" seems to be the most common omment like used before any Ireland game, its almost like a catchphrase at this stage, and most of the time it's wrong.

    Argentina also got absolutely pounded by SA and NZL in the 2nd game between the two. It think the RC speaks volumes about what to expect from Argentina, they could push us all the way and possibly even beat us…and they could also ship 20/30 plus points and get their asses handed to them, its really hard to call which Argentina we'll get as they've almost taken the label from France of "which side will show up".

    After last week I'm not sure, we were just so bad that I am struggling to be confident this week as we reached a level of bad I didnt think we were capable of.



  • #37637
    PMC83
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843477#Comment_122843477

    Not really. Just suggesting that comments like that do add to a growing narrative and are not really an accurate representation of what people think



  • #37638
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843433#Comment_122843433

    A lot of its it British fans, mostly Welsh, jealous of how much better Ireland are than the rest of the NH so are finding new ways to become offended…the whole "cocky and entitled" line is BS as if that was the case they would hate SA even more than Ireland and yet they dont…their bitter and too embarrassed to admit it.



  • #37639
    PMC83
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843494#Comment_122843494

    I haven't seen much of what your describing tbh.

    I have heard some tasty sound bites from Rob Kearney and Matt Williams that did kinda come back to haunt us though, live by the sword die by the sword I guess



  • #37640
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843517#Comment_122843517

    Which "nasty sound bites"?



  • #37641
    PMC83
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843548#Comment_122843548

    Tasty sound bites? The business of the All Blacks being scared about playing in Dublin and loosing the aura and so on



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  • #37642
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843562#Comment_122843562

    Sorry tasty and not nasty

    Did you not think NZ would be scared coming to a ground they had won in for many years? after losing a series to Ireland?

    I think most teams go into Aviva with a bit of fear. Hardly a bit statement to make. They have also lost some of that aura, they are not the invincible NZ team of old, their record over hte last few years show that.

    Speaking the truth is hardly tasty or nasty :-)

    What did Mattie(an Australian who coached Scotland and lives in france) say?



  • #37643
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,874 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843322#Comment_122843322

    He is very much targeted towards the casual fan, many of whom probably don't have the slightest clue how Argentina fared in the Rugby Championship and have no real reason to expect an Argentinean victory in Dublin.



  • #37644
    PMC83
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843573#Comment_122843573

    I don't think the All Blacks would be scared at all. They have lost twice in Aviva. To them I'd imagine its less of a fortress then we think it is. Our recent record against them has been good but not enough to warrant any complacency.



  • #37645
    Paul Smeenus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,363 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843493#Comment_122843493

    He's a journalist. He says what he thinks. His job is not to reflect what Irish rugby fans think.



  • #37646
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843614#Comment_122843614

    Really? ok we can agree to disagree on that one. The whole Ioane to lead the Haka and all of that looks like they really had something going on.

    Do you think Ireland was complacent?

    You could maybe make that accusation if they had beaten NZ in WC, but Ireland lost. I don't think ireland was complacent at all from the game. I just dont think they played well and NZ got into them,playing a better game and winning.

    Still waiting for what Mattie has said, but not sure why that is relevant to Ireland as I listed above.



  • #37647
    PMC83
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843644#Comment_122843644

    No I don't think Ireland were complacent at all. I was suggesting some of the media were in their comments leading up to the game. Feel free to have a listen below but its old news now tbh!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJNK4-r8Cw



  • #37648
    Shehal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    In regards tonight overall I cant help but shake the feeling there will be no middle ground, either this is a complete disaster and Argentina win or Ireland blow them away by +20 points…



  • #37649
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843719#Comment_122843719

    Feels like a fitting parallel to this forum, either we're the best team in the world, or a useless bunch of has beens



  • #37650
    Ben Bailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843672#Comment_122843672

    'No I don't think Ireland were complacent at all.'

    One of the hallmarks of complacency is believing you're never complacent.

    It's certainly the case that the majority of Irish rugby 'fans', as distinct from Irish rugby 'followers', have grown accustomed to success, particularly at Lansdowne Road. This may have led to overconfidence and it would be near miraculous if at least some of that hauteur didn't reach the Ireland camp.

    I'm happy enough with things as they stand, but can easily accept that other posters feel differently.

    Tonight will tell a tale.



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  • #37651
    aloooof
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,996 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122843644#Comment_122843644

    Still waiting for what Mattie has said, but not sure why that is relevant to Ireland as I listed above.

    He’s a pundit that is frequently on Irish TV before and after matches.

    I’m no great fan of Mutty, but it’s hardly a surprise he comes up on here from time to time.



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