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Election 2024

  • 11-11-2024 04:34PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭


    With the election underway I thoughtthou I we a good idea to set up a thread for election thought. As of this post there are 17 candidates announced. It's the usual suspects of either sitting TDs or councillors plus a fefew Independents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    There are two constituencies for Limerick, Limerick City (4) and Limerick County (3). Of course a lot of the city constituency is actually in the county.

    In the city you have SF, FF and FG all running two candidates, Willie O'Dea and Maurice Quinlivan both with big egos will have get their voters to vote for their party colleague rather than giving themselves the No1. FF have historically been poor at vote splitting but they'll have to manage it if they have any hope of getting two TDs elected in the city.

    It's going to be interesting to see what happens the candidates that ran in the recent mayoral election, will they increase their vote, will any be in the running for one of the seats.

    Will Brian Leddin & the GP in general lose votes because they went into government with FF/FG

    Where will Labour, SDs and the Independents gain votes, who loses out if one of more of them get any reasonable amount of votes.

    Are there too many left candidates looking for the left vote.

    The county is probably a bit more settled and my guess is that the 3 sitting TDs will be re-elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There are only 2 realistic left votes and I'm not even sure SD are a realistic chance at a seat in Limerick. PBP and anyone else will only pick up token votes.

    The city is very up in the air for that 4th seat. The big 3 will all think they can take it and Leddin will still be in the mix. Frankie will do well rambling on about an A&E he can't fix and we get to see if a new candidate can bring back some of the old Labour vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭Limerick91


    Willie, Maurice and Kieran O'D I would think are 100% certainties.

    Brian L I don't think will get elected due to some unpopular green party legislation.

    In my opinion Maurice will top the poll and his surplus will bring in either Labour's Connor Sheehan or Frankie Daly (God help us)

    The hospital candidate will take some left wing votes and her No 2 could also be important



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I'm not sure that Maurice will top the poll this time. I'm hearing a lot of people complaining about him letting them down of the last 5 years. SF have just added a second candidate (Senator Paul Gavan) to the ticket, which along with the reduction in SFs support will eat into his vote.

    I'd agree that Willie, Maurice and O'Donnell will get back, but I think the 4th seat will be well up for grabs.

    Also BTW, Maurices nearly 1800 surplus didn't get any left leaning candidate over the line in 2020.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    This is the current list of the 16 Limerick City candidates.

    Fianna Fáil Willie O'Dea
    Fianna Fáil Dee Ryan
    Fine Gael Kieran O'Donnell
    Fine Gael Maria Byrne
    Green Brian Leddin
    Labour Conor Sheehan
    Sinn Féin Maurice Quinlivan
    Sinn Féin Paul Gavan
    Social Democrats Elisa O'Donovan
    Independent Ireland Esther Aherne
    The Irish People Dean Quinn
    PBP–Solidarity Ruairí Fahy
    Aontú Sarah Beasley
    Non-Party Frankie Daly
    Non-Party Michele Hayes
    Non-Party Melanie Sheehan Cleary

    Noon on Sat 16th Nov is the cut off for candidate registrations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I don't think there is a huge SF to left transfer. Some of the recently acquired younger SF voters would be transfer friendly to SD or Labour but for the most part they are not pulling votes from the same places.

    Seat 4 could really come down to fine margins like who comes where in the cull. Let's say Sheehan, Ryan, Byrne and Leddin are all within a few hundred of each other. Sheehan getting cut because he is 50 votes behind Ryan could put Leddin in whereas Ryan getting cut could put Byrne in for instance.

    Interestingly Limerick City/East has only ever elected 1 independent (sort of as it was due to a Labour split). Michael Lipper in 1977.

    I could see you voting independent Cookie now that Michelle Hayes is running 🤣



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Cetyl Palmitate


    Michelle Hayes is the "voice of the people" according to her election posters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭LeoD


    They are the 20 people that voted for her in the council election although that was in a county constituency so will be interesting to see how many voices she represents in the city.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Ironically the woman who is responsible the planning permission for hundreds of apartments and student beds in the city being quashed is campaigning on the housing crisis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    It will be interesting to see what happens the votes that Moran and HO'D received in the DEM Election. Dee Ryan will hope that she can retain some of the votes she got in the DEM, though she didn't have WO'D taking votes from her there. Leddin must be worried as he only got 2,300 first preference votes in the DEM



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Leddin's mayoral push was pretty poor and he clearly had no interest. He would have been my first choice until I heard him in the debates. Quinlivan had a similarly poor campaign by his standards.

    Seeing as the clear front runners were independent I don't think the mayoral election tells us much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    She won't get too many votes around her home area of Murroe.

    Five Cross Roads accident blackspot, her/her family own one corner at the cross roads and the hedge is causing sightline issues towards Limerick when driving from the Abington



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,621 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    In the City, I think the returned TD's will be O'Dea, Quinlivan, O'Donnell and one of either Sheehan or Daly taking the 4th seat IMO.

    Now how anyone could give Frankie a 1st preference after his debate performances in the DEM race is beyond me? But, that said he does have a reputation as an effective counsellor.

    Last election Daly transferred well to Leddin on his elimination, this time round I expect that to be reversed. I don't see Dee Ryan doing well on 1st preferences, nor do I think she will do well from O'Dea's transfers.

    There will of course be some support for the Hospital candidates but I am absolutely loath to vote for a single issue candidate particularly when we have far more than just a single issue wrong with Limerick, the Mid West and indeed Ireland.

    We are a representative democracy, whomever we send to the Daíl really must be capable of being across the entire political brief. I've yet to have any of our independents spark any confidence in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    I think O'Donnell, who scraped home last time out, could come under pressure from Dee Ryan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I thought Leddin was the last TD elected last time around?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    FG are not losing their seat in Limerick to a second FF candidate.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Correct. O'Donnell met the quota after the 8th count. Leddin was elected at the 9th count without meeting the quota as he was the last man standing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Independent councillors I have no issue with but Independent candidates running for the national legislature will always get my last preferences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,507 ✭✭✭✭phog


    In my mind, there's a difference between independent candidates and one issue candidates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭adaminho


    That's true, independents only work in a tight parliament where their vote can swing a government. If you elected a one policy candidate that got their wish on the first day you're left with a lame duck for 5 years!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    One policy candidates only work with something the government is ignoring and a seat that the government is targeting.

    Limerick would need to elect so many A&E TD's that it's takes out O'Dea and O'Donnell.

    Also UHL ED is such an embarrassment for the government and would be such a win if fixed that I really don't think the problem is Limerick being ignored or not cared about. That was part of what caused the problem way way back when UHL fell behind but it's not the problem now. If there was an easy fix it would be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Paul Murphy was elected on a single issue (water charges) and is still there, long after the idea of water charges was dropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Only a small difference as single issue candidates are a subset of independents so they join the bottom of my list. Single issue = populism on one issue. Independent = populism on a range of issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I could be wrong but I don't think Murphy was ever independent. He was AAA when elected who had a full party manifesto.

    He may have pushed one issue vigorously but that's not the same as being the A&E protest candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Oh yeah - AAA rings a bell now! Then were they just a single issue 'party' originally?

    Edit: Ok, good old Wikipedia. AAA existed for a while but he contested a 2014 by-election for them mainly on the water charges issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭geotrig


    Willie must be over 70 now and surely on last campaign I'd say a few were hoping he wouldn't run this time 😅? I have to admit while not a huge fan of the green party or Leddin per se I think he might just keep his seat, while I don't agree with some of his ideas or green party's policies in general on roads and a few other areas etc he does want to improve Limerick and speaks quite well at times. To me a few candidates are just getting by on popularity really without offering much ,now they may do a lot more than I know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,056 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Primetime was in Limerick last night and ended with a debate involving Leddin and Sheehan on transport. I don't know if it's Sheehan or Labour nationally but a few times now I have seen him really drive the point that Labour are committed to a lot of "green" policy like Busconnects or high density living without getting into nonsense stuff like trains to Shannon the way Leddin does.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Leddin benefited from the Green surge in 2020, but people have become 'Anti Green' since then. Even then Leddin got in last time through Jan O'Sullivans surplus pushing him ahead of the rest, without making the quota. His first choice vote will be down this time and I doubt he'll be the benefit of such a large transfer.

    The Greens are polling at 3% according to a poll released this morning compared to 8% back in 2020. They're going to be annihilated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,824 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Like many here I think Quinlivan, O'Dea and O'Donnell are nailed on but I think the leaders debates will determine the 4th seat which will be one of those 3 parties also since they're all running 2 candidates



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