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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭mun1


    But he didn’t explicitly state what he meant, he even admitted in next post that he couldnt be bothered going through the match and picking out constructive points to back up his argument .

    It’s all well and good stating lack of presence, demanding ball etc, and thats how you might feel about someone’s performance but you should then look at your viewpoint objectively and find some facts to back it up , as anyone who doesn’t agree with your viewpoint might ask for some evidence of your beliefs and views.

    Crowley and the whole team were bang average 5/5 and the penalty count and McKenzie looked after the result after that.

    Roll on the argies, who will be more of a challenge than NZ upfront.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Big shifts for Porter and Bealham needed obviously given the bench and opposition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    I was interested to get some direct quotes to find out what Andy Farrell said of the performance, rather than interpretations, so have put together a few quotes below that I thought were interesting and illustrative of his point of view.
    From what I can see, he didn't blame the two out-halves explicitly but instead turned the attention onto the whole team.
    It's interesting that the main issue seems to be the entire team forcing it under pressure, so who is responsible for getting the team to stop that when it starts to go wrong on the field?
    That's the main role of the captain (Doris) I would have thought, to get the team refocused when things go against them, and also every player would have a responsibility in their own roles to execute their core skills well.
    It also seems that the main concern was how the team allowed the game to get away from them towards the end by making errors, particularly once New Zealand took the two-point lead with 20 minutes or so to go.

    Post-match press conference:
    IrishRugby TV: 'We're All Gutted' - Farrell and Doris Post Match

    Q: Sum up the disappointment?
    "… We didn't manage to put our game out on the field, now obviously the opposition have a big say in that, but I thought we compounded too many errors and almost suppressed ourselves a little bit at times and the energy or the accuracy, wasn't what was needed to win a big test match like that."

    Q: How frustrating was the penalty count, after scoring the try gave away a couple in quick succession, and lost a bit of momentum?
    "We will get a few answers and clarification on a few of them, but it doesn't really matter whether it was wrong or right; we still shouldn't have suppressed ourselves a little bit you know. It's not right to try and be desperate, chasing your tail, when you've made an error, whether it be a penalty or a dropped ball, and then compound that error with another error and all of a sudden field position is just completely gone, and points come on the back of that. And we've done that a number of times, so we need to fix up our mentality as far as that's concerned, getting back to neutral and getting after the ball back the way we want it. We became a little bit too desperate and on the back of that the energy wasn't what was needed or the accuracy, well both of them obviously."

    Q: Perfomance of the ref?
    "No excuses … A lot of errors … stop/start, Slow game … We needed to be in charge of looking after our own ends and we didn't do that well enough."

    The last 20 seconds or so in this post-match interview clip sums it up nicely.
    Q: What were the positives?
    "Staying in the fight, certainly after half-time, but, the turning point was the crucial penalty from the scrum that they kicked the goal, and obviously it started going in their favour and we compounded it therefore after."

    Virgin Media Sport's post-match interview:
    Andy Farrell reacts to defeat to New Zealand

    Q: Disappointment over the performance?
    "We suppressed ourselves I thought at times with too many back-to-back errors, and that's not right, it's not the feeling that that should happen anyway."

    Q: Why so many errors?
    "People trying to fix things on their own, a little bit too desperate, sometimes, instead of just being calm enough and understanding how we get the ball back properly, in a way that we want the ball so we can get the right field position, but obviously the opposition have a say in that as well."

    Q: Why poor discipline, with so many penalties conceded?
    "We'll look at some, I'm sure we'll debate a few with the officials, … but no complaints, … we've gotta be better than that, and we normally are."

    Rúaidhrí O'Connor - Irish Independent
    Much of the analysis has centred on out-halves Jack Crowley and Ciarán Frawley who both endured a difficult night against New Zealand.
    Game management is not just down to them, it’s down to others helping with the calls and seeing the space, etc. Having said that, if you are playing you would expect yourself to hold on to the ball for more than a couple of phases which we didn’t do at times,” Farrell said, before being asked about the lack of impact from the bench as a whole.
    I think some of them came on a little bit too desperate, there were one or two errors or penalties or whatever, but that wasn’t just the bench, that was throughout the game with the team.

    Post edited by Jump_In_Jack on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,502 ✭✭✭Cosmo Kramer


    Good to see at least some of the dead wood being cleared off the bench if nothing else, with Frawley in particular being taken out of the firing line, hopefully permanently. Of far more benefit giving Baird, Casey and Prendergast minutes than the players they are replacing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Delighted to see Casey on the bench - didn't expect the Messiah to come in but he has to play quality opposition at some stage so why not now? Big blow for Frawley though.

    Baird is also a welcome addition - it will be interesting to see if he goes into the row or if he goes to 6 and POM replaces VDF at 7



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    The starting team is the same as last week and overall has a good balance, if rustiness was as big an issue as claimed then the best idea here is to keep the team as settled as possible this week.

    The bench has been hugely improved, the issue last week was the bench had no balance…it was all old dogs minus 3 (bare in mind 1 of those 3 lasted only a few minutes). This week the average age dropped from 31.5 to 28 which is exactly the age you want for a bench, some old, young and players in their prime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,997 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The starting team is the same as last week

    Henshaw is in for Aki.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,095 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    None

    its not an attack on Munster. relax

    If people are going to point out that Crowley didn't play that well, or Beirne didn't look good at 6, or O'Mahony and Murray didn't provide much impact…..

    a good point of reference is what's happening at Munster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Sorry, correcting my comment in some aspects I f**ked up others. I meant to say "more or less" before "the same as last week"!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    POM doesnt have the legs to place 6, let alone 7.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭CONSI


    If the game is tight at 60mins will he hook Crowley for Prendergast, I don't think he should, Prendergast has only ever gotten an armchair ride behind a leinster team v weak opposition…if he wants to give prendergast game time let him come in for the fiji game with frawley on the bench..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I didn't see it as an attack on Munster and I know full well what's happening at Munster and was still shocked at what I saw happening at Ireland last Friday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,071 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Aki is unfortunate to be the only starter given the axe, but I suspect Henshaw was always coming in regardless.

    Henderson and Frawley can have no complaints, Murray might be hard done by considering he only got eight minutes but still good to see Casey back.

    Two new caps would be a great night's work. Clarkson has improved immensely this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    if he does its because he doesnt trust Crowley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Thats the last of Henderson in any meaningful game barring injuries....

    I suspect alot of International retirements after this Autumn series....POM, Murray, Healy, Henderson......

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,997 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    If he doesn't trust Crowley, his starting 10, what would it suggest of his trust for the others?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,562 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Has any Irish rugby player actually retired from International Rugby and continue to play for an Irish Province



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3


    He is clearly waiting for Prendergast to step up and take the 10 jersey.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,853 ✭✭✭theVersatile




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,997 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Why wait? Why doesn't he just throw him in? Presumably, using your logic, because he doesn't trust him….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭thehairygrape


    Watching Pathé News earlier and swear I saw Cian Healy making his debut in black & white. Isn’t it a great achievement in fairness, presuming he’ll come off the bench? Clarkson with a debut as well good stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,370 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Irish management clearly see a lot of potential in Sam Prendergast. He's the only player who started every Emerging Ireland game and I guess that was an attempt to gauge not only his ability, but also his temperament.

    He played well in every game, but he was clearly knackered by his third game in 8 days. The fact he did well shows he has a good attitude. That takes you a long way in professional sport. Especially an ultra physical one like rugby.

    I don't know if he's ready for test rugby. He's played well in his league and Champions Cup appearances. But those games are all ones where we were expected to win comfortably enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,780 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I can see what Andy Farrell is thinking, they all played so well last weekend they should be rewarded

    Wait a minute…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    He did the same thing in NZL & SA after a loss and the Irish players responded by winning the next game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,780 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They lost those games, but did they play like schoolboys in those games? I never expect Ireland (or Munster) to win a game but I do expect them to mostly be able to do the simple things correctly. Last Friday's performance wasn't just a loss, it was a disaster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    Ireland's big issues last week were holding onto the ball, conceding penalties & overall rustiness…how does making loads of changes fix these issues?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I think Farrell prob did as much as he could with the selection this week.

    No Qs Frawley and Henderson have been dropped. Deservedly so.

    I would have also dropped Kelleher and Ryan to the bench. Harsh but just because the LO continues to be a problem.

    He's obviously hoping Continuity is important for improvement. I prob would have started Baird at 6.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭typhoony


    We'll continue to be competive over the next year against the top teams, but beyond that gives me concern and I think some lessons should be learnt from Wales and to a lesser extent Munster where older top class players retiring and form dipping which meant succession wasn't achieved due a combination of very poor planning and not enough top class players coming through the system. Farrell doesn't come across someone who looks too far ahead and he didn't have to do a lot of rebuilding when he took over from schmidt but the next coach will have their work cut out.



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