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Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭CliffHangeroner


    Really interesting picks from the president elect. Going to be an exciting few years ahead maybe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I heard some idiot on American TV say that "52% of uneducated white women voted for Trump".

    Penny has still not dropped, or maybe there was never one there in the first place ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭crusd


    It would be reasonable to expect some demonstrated leadership and organisational capabilities from any walk off life, be it military, government or private sector. And leading a platoon of 50 reservists is not it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Whats that got to do with the price of a pint?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Trump and his sons have just setup a crypto exchange company.

    https://www.worldlibertyfinancial.com/us/token-sale

    Scroll down and have a look at "Our Team".

    One of the first things Trump has promised to do is legislate for crypto making his family an absolute fortune in the process.

    It's step 3 on why he ran for President.

    1. Stay Out Prison
    2. Revenge on Biden
    3. Enrich his family and friends.

    Meanwhile the ethics pledge he is legally required to sign gathers dust.

    But listen it's all about the working class, something something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,627 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Weren't you one of the people claiming he's a peacemaker? He's just appointed a zionist as the ambassador to Israel. The same Mike Huckabee who has previously said there's no such thing as a Palestinian...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Well you seem to think that anyone can just become the minister of defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Which teacher got plucked straight from a classroom into a ministry?

    For someone just playing devil's advocate, you did pick a peculiar hill to die on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,627 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Care to explain which Secretary of Defense you're referring to? While some have had academic careers, they generally had experience working in the DOD and weren't simply lecturers. What expertise does the Fox News man bring?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭crusd


    It has been pointed out that the Irsish system can only appoint ministers from the dail or seanad, unlike the US which has a different system. You continue to ignore that.

    But that you seek to equate to different systems - our current minister of defence was a teacher who's first ministerial portfolio was education and has subsequently had 18 years experience in various government positions.

    No one is saying Trumps appointment should be a military expert, but any one in such a position should have demonstrated some leadership and organisational competencies.

    And as voters here we should also look for similar in the people we choose to vote for.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,653 ✭✭✭Rawr


    If they don't put a Shiba Inu face on the Department seal of this I'll be somewhat disappointed :P

    doge.png

    ….and yes I sense that America has jumped the shark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Outside of being elected what qualifies any minister for the cabinet role they're given by the leader of the party? 99% of the time, absolutely nothing.

    In the US you don't need to be elected to be selected for cabinet. Somebody with 20 years army experience on the face of it has at least some tangible connection to the secretary of defence role.

    Certainly more than an ex teacher who gets elected here has to the same role, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Has to be said that those at the top of the American economic pyramid have played an absolute blinder with Trump.

    Successfully divided and distracted the lower classes via culture war nonsense at a time when the left and right looked dangerously close to agreeing that things like medicine prices were way too high. Immigrant fear pumped right up to the maximum also.

    Somehow managed to position Elon Musk as an anti-establishment figure. The richest man in the world.

    That's a billionaire property tycoon as president. A billionaire's protege as vice president, along with Musk. The stick Dick Cheney got for being a former chairman of Haliburton - it seems so quaint, now.

    I don't know if it's strictly by design, but the rise of reactionary movements and authoritarianism in the West is the perfect vehicle for the monied/business class to protect profits, wealth and control, while too many of the public cheer it on.

    You can only shake your head and say 'bravo...'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭j62


    75.5 million people eagerly awaiting for stuff to trickle down on their necks

    72 million people are going WTF



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,490 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    None of these eejits will pass the congressional confirmation hearings.

    And Trump cannot set up government departments, only Acts of Congress can.

    I mean trying to set up a pseudo-office of Government, outside of congressional oversight, and doing so so that Musk and Biryani don't have to divest their assets for the duration?!

    Typical corrupt Trump nonsense. Drain the swamp and replace it with a pit of nuclear waste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,044 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Two people to lead a Dept focused on Government Efficiency…

    The whole thing is a p*sstake.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    The Plucking Board is an interesting analogy, it was not without controversy itself. In large part it was to rubber-stamp the decisions made by McNair over who would stay and who would go, and it removed a lot of officers that the soldiers liked and replaced them with officers McNair liked. Yes, some of them really were past their prime and needed to go, but in effect he went with the basis that if some innocent folks got waylaid to ensure the Army would be better, then sucks to be those innocent folks. There's no Constitutional right to fairness in the Army.

    I would observe that by law the position of SecDef is supposed to not go to a senior military leader. Mattis and Austin had to get exemptions from Congress in order to accept their appointments. I don't know what to make of Hegseth. I agree that the choice is… unorthodox. Then again, that's what people voted for. Still, of the various appointments that Trump is nominating, I suspect that the Senators are going to save their rounds for this one. Homan, for example, may be a little hard-core, but at least he's experienced and he's going for a position not quite of the same level of global relevance as Defense. Hegseth… Well, I'll give him some credit. You don't graduate both Princeton and Yale if you're not pretty intelligent. He has a major and demonstrated thing for soldier and veteran care, quality of life, job satisfaction, that sort of thing. The Irish government could learn a thing or two about that. He seems to prioritise warfighting above all else and whilst I'm not sure I'd agree with him in his extent, I can't say that the way we've tried to go about gender integration in the US Army hasn't been particularly faultless given that demonstrably the decisions were made in the name of equality, not effectiveness. He has said one thing I think a lot of Army folks will agree with, and that's the Army's recruiting campaigns have been questionable. "Get the guy who did Top Gun Maverick, and hire him to do our recruiting." You won't believe how many US Army adverts don't show anyone with a rifle which is, you know, kindof the point of the Army.

    I don't know if I'd write him off. He is absolutely not a 'safe' choice that you can put in and then have a good night's sleep that night, and I would expect him to get a hell of a grilling at the Confirmation hearings, but he does have the nation having an effective military at heart which I think is a pretty fundamental pre-requisite. If he has the ability to run the Dept, well, we have no reason to think he does due to the lack of even approximate organizational experience. However, he may surprise us, if confirmed.

    That said, I'm a little disappointed in myself. If this was the year that a mid-grade reservist with a public broadcasting gig could make SecDef, I blew my opportunity…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Gas that you only blame Trump for that division. He's one half of it alright and the other half is the fringe left.

    Pushing every crackpot cultural topic you could think of to front and centre over there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,079 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Nothing usually qualifies them that is the problem.

    Who said they needed to be elected?

    What experience did they get in the army that makes the suitable for being the secretary of defence?

    What tangible connection would that be?

    Who got plucked out of a classroom and made minister of defence?

    I know you refuse to answer question, but you are going to need to start stepping up.

    Use that critical thinking of yours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Do they need more than a simple majority in Congress?(They are not into autocracy territory already?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭briany


    'Fringe' being a pretty critical word. A tiny minority of people vs a huge movement under Trump with an obsession over that minority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭Zardoz


    Ehm, did you actually read what I posted ? Did anyone actually read it before making baseless claims and derogatory statements ?

    I have explained this to multiple posters who keep on quoting something entirely different to what I posted.

    Look at the Twitter post I posted then look at the claim you are quoting, you will see that they are very different.

    Its not a very complicated image, I do not appreciate this disingenuous behaviour.

    Post edited by Zardoz on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,897 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    DOGE needs no act of congress to be created, but any federal funding has to be allocated by Congress to do it. Unless Musk and Biryani become "Dollar-a-year" men, there is precedent for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,493 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    He's one half of it alright and the other half is the fringe left

    We got there eventually. We always do.

    America is a left leaning country, socially and economically not that they get much left economics from either party, but more so from the Democrats. But poll after poll after poll has the majority of the American Electorate voting left on both social and economic issues. Trump tapped into this in 2016, drain the swamp, oust the elites, etc.

    I can think of maybe a handful of Democratic Elected officials who would be anyway left or left of centre. They romped home to victory last week.

    The rest either ran as centrists or centre right. Including Harris. Economically she pivoted left in certain things.

    50% of American politicians being "fringe left" is beyond ridiculous.

    I'm starting to wonder are you actually playing Devils Advocate here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Well the lunatics are running the asylum unfortunately. So it's a fringe but powerful element.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,044 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're just throwing out phrases and buzzwords here like you're giving a book report on a book you only opened while the teacher was calling attendance.

    Comparing Trump and his clique on the right as being the flip side to Left leaning group has no basis in reality. None.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    You're just throwing out insults and absolutes. Hardly a winning formula.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭crusd


    Apologies for accusing you of falling for lies when in fact all that you were doing was knowingly spreading gross misrepresentation👍️



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